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The Rite of Ordination was Changed
« on: September 05, 2012, 08:55:09 AM »
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    THE PAPAL BULL "APOSTOLICAE CURAE" ON THE NEW RITE OF ORDINATION

    The New Rite of Ordination that was instituted by Paul VI on June 18, 1968,
    after Vatican II suffers from the same defects as the Anglican Rite of  
    Ordination, which was declared to be invalid by Pope Leo XIII in his infallible
    Bull Apostolicae Curae.  When the Anglicans separated from the Catholic Church
    in the 16th century, they created a New Rite of Ordination which removed every
    reference to the true sacrificing priesthood.  Likewise, every mandatory
    reference to the true sacrificing priesthood was removed from the Rite of
    Ordination promulgated by Paul VI after Vatican II.  Here are some of the
    prayers in the Traditional Rite of Ordination which set forth the true nature of
    the priesthood, which were abolished in the New Rite of Paul VI.

    "For it is a priest's duty to offer sacrifice, to bless, to lead, to preach, and
    to baptize."  ABOLISHED.

    "That Thou wouldst recall all who have wandered from the unity of the Church,
    and lead all believers to the light of the Gospel."  ABOLISHED.

    "Theirs be the task to change with blessing undefiled, for the service of Thy
    people, bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Thy Son."  ABOLISHED.

    "Be pleased, Lord, to consecrate and sanctify these hands by this anointing, and
    our blessing.  That whatsoever they bless may be blessed, and whatsoever they
    consecrate may be consecrated and sanctified in the name of Our Lord Jesus
    Christ."  ABOLISHED.

    "Receive the power to offer sacrifice to God, and to celebrate Mass, both
    for the living and the dead, in the name of the Lord."  ABOLISHED.

    "The new priests then promise obedience to their bishop who 'charges' them to
    bear in mind that offering Holy Mass is not free from risk and that they should
    learn everything necessary from diligent priests before undertaking so fearful a
    responsibility."  ABOLISHED.

    "The blessing of God Almighty, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, come
    down upon you, and make you blessed in the priestly Order, enabling you to offer
    propitiatory sacrifices for the sins of the people to Almighty God."  ABOLISHED.

    "As the previous section made clear, every prayer in the traditional rite
    [of Ordination] which stated specifically the essential role of a priest
    as a man ordained to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the living and dead
    has been removed [from the New Rite of Paul VI].  In most cases these
    were the precise prayers removed by the Protestant reformers, or if not
    precisely the same there are clear parallels." (Historian Michael Davies, The
    Order of Melchisedech, p. 83)

    "There is not one mandatory prayer in the new rite of ordination itself which
    makes clear that the essence of the Catholic priesthood is the conferral of the
    powers to offer the sacrifice of the Mass and to absolve men of their sins, and
    that the sacrament imparts a character which differentiates a priest not simply
    in degree but in essence from a layman.  There is not a word in it that is
    incompatible with Protestant belief."  (Historian Michael Davies, The Order of
    Melchisedech, p. xix)

    It is totally obvious from these facts that there is no intention in the New
    Rite of ordaining a true sacrificing Priest.  Every single mandatory reference
    to the true sacrificing priesthood was deliberately removed, just as in the
    Anglican Rite, which was declared invalid for that very reason by Pope Leo XIII.  
    Thus, the following words declared by Pope Leo XIII apply exactly to the New
    Rite of Paul VI.

    Pope Leo XIII decreed in Apostolicae Curae, September 13, 1896:  "For this
    reason, in the whole Ordinal not only is there no clear mention of the
    sacrifice, of consecration, of the sacerdotium [sacrificing priesthood], but, as
    we have just stated, every trace of these things, which had been in such prayers
    of the Catholic rite as they had not entirely rejected, was deliberately removed
    and struck out.  In this way the native character -- or spirit as it is called
    -- of the Ordinal clearly manifests itself.  Hence, if vitiated in its origin it
    was wholly insufficient to confer Orders, it was impossible that in
    the course of time it could become sufficient since no change had taken
    place."

    The New Rite fits this description precisely.  The New Rite of Ordination
    specifically eliminated the sacrificing priesthood.  The intention it manifests
    is therefore contrary to the intention of the Church and cannot suffice for
    validity.

    Pope Leo XIII further decreed in Apostolicae Curae:  "For, to put aside other
    reasons which show this to be insufficient for the purpose in the Anglican rite,
    let this argument suffice for all:  from them has been deliberately removed
    whatever sets forth the dignity and office of the priesthood in the Catholic
    rite.  That form, consequently, cannot be considered apt or sufficient for the
    sacrament which omits what it ought essentially to signify."


    ADDENDUM:  THE NEW RITE OF CONSECRATION OF BISHOPS

    Paul VI's New Rite of Consecration of Bishops is also an issue.  In Sacramentum
    Ordinis, November 30, 1947, Pius XII declared what is the essential form for the
    Consecration of Bishops:

    "But regarding the matter and form in the conferring of every order, by Our same
    supreme Apostolic authority, We decree and establish the following:  in the
    Episcopal ordination or consecration, the form consists of the words of the
    'Preface,' of which the following are essential and so required for validity:  
    'Complete in Your Priest the fullness of Your ministry, and sanctify him,
    adorned (as he is) with the ornament of all glorification, with the dew of
    heavenly anointing.  (Enchiridion Symbolorum 2301)

    The form in the New Rite of Paul VI for the Consecration of Bishops is radically
    different from that which was declared essential for validity by Pius XII.  Here
    it is:

    "And now pour out upon this chosen one the power that comes from You, the
    excellent spirit You gave Your beloved Son Jesus Christ, which He Himself
    gave the Holy Apostles, who built the Church in every place as Your Sanctuary
    for the everlasting glory and praise of His name."

    The two forms only have one thing in common, the single word "et," which
    means "and."  In the Traditional Rite, with its expression "the fullness of
    Your ministry" and "ornament of all glorification," the purpose of
    Consecration is clearly defined since both can refer only to the bishop.  In
    the new rite, an unambiguous description of the effect of Episcopal Consecration
    is missing.

    In the New Rite of Episcopal Consecration, basically every reference to the
    specifically Catholic understanding of the Episcopate has been deleted, just
    like in the New Rite of Ordination.  In fact, there is not one unambiguous
    statement about the intended sacramental effect of Episcopal Consecration
    that can be found.

    In the Traditional Rite of Consecration, the Consecrator instructs the bishop
    elect in the following terms:

    "A bishop judges, interprets, consecrates, ordains, offers, baptizes, and
    confirms."  This has been abolished in the New Rite.

    In the Traditional Rite, the Bishop-to-be is asked to confirm his belief in
    each and every article of the Creed.  This has been abolished in the New Rite.

    In the Traditional Rite, the Bishop-to-be is asked if he will "anathematize
    every heresy that shall arise against the Holy Catholic Church."  This has been
    abolished in the New Rite.  The deletion of this requirement to anathematize
    heresy is significant, for this is indeed one of the functions of a Bishop.

    In the Traditional Rite, after the consecratory prayer, the functions of a
    Bishop are once again specified in these words:

    "Give him, O Lord, the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven....  Whatsoever he shall
    bind upon earth, let it be bound likewise in Heaven, and whatsoever he shall
    loose upon earth, let it likewise be loosed in Heaven.  Whose sins he shall
    retain, let them be retained, and do Thou remit the sins of whomsoever he shall
    remit....  Grant him, O Lord, an Episcopal chair...."  This entire prayer has
    been abolished in the New Rite.

    Paul VI's New Rite of Episcopal Consecration, therefore, has a radically
    different form than what Pius XII declared was necessary for validity.  Further,
    other references to the specifically Catholic understanding of the Episcopate,
    such as that the Bishop is empowered to ordain, were deliberately abolished.  

    Pope Leo XIII decreed in Apostolicae Curae:  "When anyone has rightly and
    seriously made use of the due form and the matter requisite for effecting
    or conferring the sacrament, he is considered by that very fact to do what the
    Church does.   On this principle rests the doctrine that a sacrament is truly
    conferred by the ministry of one who is a heretic or unbaptized, provided the
    Catholic rite be employed.  On the other hand, if the rite be changed, with
    the manifest intention of introducing another rite not approved by the Church,
    and of rejecting what the Church does, and what by the institution of Christ
    belongs to the nature of the Sacrament, then it is clear that not only
    is the necessary intention wanting to the sacrament, but that the intention
    is adverse to and destructive of the sacrament."

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    The Rite of Ordination was Changed
    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 07:58:53 PM »
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  • The "why" was to destroy the Holy Church.  The sundry all-encompassing changes were to bring about this nullification.

    Another important "why" to think about is why did the vast majority of bishops just quietly go along with this?  

    I still do want to see these rites side by side (another thread).  If the changes are small, then the changes were meant to be a small dose of poison because bite by bite you can eat away at a large body.  If the changes are large, didn't anyone other than the traditionalists mention this?

    We know that the action taken by the largest percentage of Catholics was to walk away from the Holy Church, but they were really walking away from a new church.

    Keep up the great posts, Lover of Truth!!!


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    The Rite of Ordination was Changed
    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 05:30:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    The "why" was to destroy the Holy Church.  The sundry all-encompassing changes were to bring about this nullification.

    Another important "why" to think about is why did the vast majority of bishops just quietly go along with this?  

    I still do want to see these rites side by side (another thread).  If the changes are small, then the changes were meant to be a small dose of poison because bite by bite you can eat away at a large body.  If the changes are large, didn't anyone other than the traditionalists mention this?

    We know that the action taken by the largest percentage of Catholics was to walk away from the Holy Church, but they were really walking away from a new church.

    Keep up the great posts, Lover of Truth!!!


    Changing the rites of consecration and ordination really sealed the deal for me.  It was/is a freemasonic diabolical plot.  By V2 the majority of highranking officials were either freemasons or of the freemasonic mentality (remember it as pretty bad at the turn of the century already) and that is how they turned the V2 council from a Catholic one to something to build their new Church upon and that is how they got their leader to approve it.

    The rest, as they say, is history.  

    As to why the bishops went along with it, and here we speak of the bishops that were not of the freemasonic bent, could be for a number of reasons, such as not wanting to publicly question the one who the world believed was Pope, for to call that into question would be to call his papacy into question, and that would just be nuts wouldn't it?  :laugh1:

    Because a valid Pope wouldn't mess with and make doubtful that which is the proximate source of the ordinary means of sanctifying grace.  

    Satan wants as many souls as possible to spend eternity with him and his agents, the highranking members of new Church, help him by eliminating the ordinary form of sanctifying grace.  Paul 6 is the most reprehensible object in the history of the world.  This is obvious when we realize that souls are more important than bodies and that he is responsible for leading the most astray and taking away their ordinary means of obtaining sanctifying grace from them.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    The Rite of Ordination was Changed
    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 02:55:18 PM »
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  • Changing the rites of episcopal ordination was the most lethal misdeed of Pope P6.

    What was done to the Catholic Church on June 18, 1968 was a poison-pill to break the Apostolic Succession. The newly ordained bishops, under the deliberately ambiguous and vague language of a rite that render it nil, are now at the top of the hierarchy. Their intelligence has been bedimmed, and it explains apostasies such as the Assisi conferences. It explains the impotence of Benedict XVI at bringing back the light.

    Our next Pope might be completely blind, because he will come from a conclave of blind electors. This is an act of God. We all know the prophecies of End of Time that tell that we won't know the hour, but that we will be able to recognize the season. This is the season!

    A positive sign: During the month of June 1968, while P6 was quietly poisoning the Church in order to kill her, a group of seminarians in Rome recruited an Archbishop to continue the tradition. We all know that this saintly prelate was Archbishop Marcel Lefêbvre, who twenty years elected four bishops according to valid rites.

    A WARNING TO THE SSPX. The quiet poisoning of the Church by P6 was made possible because at the time Europe was disturbed by student-caused ιnѕυrrєcтισns. The said ιnѕυrrєcтισn had began a month earlier in Paris during the events of May 1968. May 68 was led by a Marxist student of the University of Nanterre name COHN BENDITT. This Marxist was likely an unaware accomplice of P6, because in causing a vast social turmoil throughout Europe, it permitted the timed-killing of the Church. The WARNING to the SSPX, is that COHN BENDITT IS PRESENTLY ATTEMPTING TO FINSH THE JOB. Cohn Benditt is an extremely intelligent man, and he is controlling the SSPX from behind the scene, that through an attorney named Krah (many blogs show solid evidences between Krah and the Marxist). Krah is on a retainer by Menzingen (the blogs show solid evidences, as well as DICI has made it known). This situation is extremely dangerous not only for the SSPX, but also for the Church.

    A GLOOMY SIGHT: The Marxists have a different set of morality. Since they, through their obvious agent attorney Krah have access to the financial datas, and all sensitive docuмents of the Society are in a POSITION OF BLACKMAIL. Bishop Fellay, and the regime of Menzingen might presently be subject of blackmail, which explains the lip-service given by the provincial Superior Generals




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    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 01:26:24 PM »
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    Changing the rites of episcopal ordination was the most lethal misdeed of Pope P6.

    What was done to the Catholic Church on June 18, 1968 was a poison-pill to break the Apostolic Succession. The newly ordained bishops, under the deliberately ambiguous and vague language of a rite that render it nil, are now at the top of the hierarchy. Their intelligence has been bedimmed, and it explains apostasies such as the Assisi conferences. It explains the impotence of Benedict XVI at bringing back the light.

    Our next Pope might be completely blind, because he will come from a conclave of blind electors. This is an act of God. We all know the prophecies of End of Time that tell that we won't know the hour, but that we will be able to recognize the season. This is the season!

    A positive sign: During the month of June 1968, while P6 was quietly poisoning the Church in order to kill her, a group of seminarians in Rome recruited an Archbishop to continue the tradition. We all know that this saintly prelate was Archbishop Marcel Lefêbvre, who twenty years elected four bishops according to valid rites.

    A WARNING TO THE SSPX. The quiet poisoning of the Church by P6 was made possible because at the time Europe was disturbed by student-caused ιnѕυrrєcтισns. The said ιnѕυrrєcтισn had began a month earlier in Paris during the events of May 1968. May 68 was led by a Marxist student of the University of Nanterre name COHN BENDITT. This Marxist was likely an unaware accomplice of P6, because in causing a vast social turmoil throughout Europe, it permitted the timed-killing of the Church. The WARNING to the SSPX, is that COHN BENDITT IS PRESENTLY ATTEMPTING TO FINSH THE JOB. Cohn Benditt is an extremely intelligent man, and he is controlling the SSPX from behind the scene, that through an attorney named Krah (many blogs show solid evidences between Krah and the Marxist). Krah is on a retainer by Menzingen (the blogs show solid evidences, as well as DICI has made it known). This situation is extremely dangerous not only for the SSPX, but also for the Church.

    A GLOOMY SIGHT: The Marxists have a different set of morality. Since they, through their obvious agent attorney Krah have access to the financial datas, and all sensitive docuмents of the Society are in a POSITION OF BLACKMAIL. Bishop Fellay, and the regime of Menzingen might presently be subject of blackmail, which explains the lip-service given by the provincial Superior Generals





    I was talking with my wife about how the "hard-line" SSPXers talk past the "soft-line" SSPXers, sometimes grazing past SV while making a consious effort to avoid it.  It reminds me of the "lesser of two evils" sure the hard-liners may teach that you do not submit to the Pope, but they are better than the soft liners who cave in to the apostates.

    We must accept Romney in order to avoid Obama.

    It reminds me of the story of Job where all his friends are trying to explain why he found himself in the terrible state he found himself in.  They all ended up being wrong.  God came in and said "you are all wrong" this is how it is.

    Now it is, we must follow Lefebvre, no we must follow Fellay; while both sides insist we have a valid Pope.

    You are both wrong, there is no Pope.  Figure that out, accept it and then tell us what comes next.

    The Lefebrites are right to resist the changes that no legitimate Pope would bind on the Church and the Fellayites are correct to try to unit with a valid Pope as all Catholics must, but they are both wrong in assuming there is a valid Pope.

    So obvious, but they refuse to accept it.  A friend said this regarding the above:

    There will be some (Christopher Ferrrara, Michael Matt, John Vennari, David White) who would never accept sedevacantism even if Our Lord Himself verified the conciliar "popes" have been imposters. Such are the vagaries of fallen human nature. Such is the damage done to the Faith by recrudescence of Gallicanism as a result of the "r and r" approach taken by Archbishop Lefebvre.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 09:48:53 PM »
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  • Is there anything good about Paul VI?  

    Everything about the man gives me the creeps.  

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    « Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 05:52:18 AM »
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    Is there anything good about Paul VI?  

    Everything about the man gives me the creeps.  


    Not that I know of, apart from the fact that he exists and was created by God.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church