Author Topic: The Revolution Takes Hold Under Pius XII (Read 17246 times)

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #165 on:** November 07, 2012, 08:37:34 PM »

bowler, the simple fact is that you contradict St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Alphonsus, etc., and contradicting the unanimous interpretation of St. Ambrose by other theologians in denying BOD.

roscoe · « **Reply #166 on:** November 08, 2012, 11:38:00 AM »

Getting back on topic--- Acc to Gallagher in Vatican Secret Diplomacy, Card Pacelli's meeting with Roosenveldt in 1936 went like this.........

Roosenveldt tells Pacelli( pronounced PaCHelli--- not Paselli) that he is afraid the US will go 'Fascist'. The Cardinal then chides the Pres telling him that US is in much more danger of turning Communist. He was right of course.

Any idea( like that previously noted in this topic) that Pius XII was secretly soft on Communism is a joke.

bowler · « **Reply #167 on:** November 08, 2012, 02:56:04 PM »

Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre

bowler, the simple fact is that you contradict St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Alphonsus, etc., and contradicting the unanimous interpretation of St. Ambrose by other theologians in denying BOD.

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Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
I'm done here. All you keep on asking is already furnished by St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Alphonsus, Popes Innocent II and III; again, you haven't proven at all BOD was denied by the early Church Fathers. All the above people I posted interpreted St. Ambrose in favor of BOD. If that doesn't make you believe, what else can I say except nothing?

I believe that you ran away because you did not want to answer my last question;

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Bowler asked: Before we continue, please advise me where you stand with regard to the question of whether explicit faith in the Trinity and Incarnation is necessary for salvation of all those baptized by desire, or whether explicit faith in God and His Providence is sufficient ?

bowler · « **Reply #168 on:** November 08, 2012, 03:01:24 PM »

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No, I agree with St.Alphonsus (and Suarez, for that matter, and a host of other authorities) that the Holy Innocents were baptized by blood, not by desire, which cannot apply to infants. That the Holy Innocents, the infants killed by Herod in pursuing Christ, were true martyrs.

Do you even deny that they taught this?

How many times do EENSers have to tell you that the Holy Innocents died under the old covenant? The Holy Innocents did not have to be baptized to go to paradise with Adam and Eve and everyone that was there with them. You might as well say that John the Baptist was saved by baptism of blood.

roscoe · « **Reply #169 on:** November 08, 2012, 03:09:51 PM »

More from Gallagher

pg 88.....'Astonishingly(? my note), Pacelli saw Hitler's nαzιsm as merely a political ruse. Aware that Hitler's earliest ostensible political alliance was with the socialist German Workers Party in 1919, he remained suspicious of Hitler a s politician of the left.

Acc to Pacelli, Hitler was not a true nαzι & would end up in the camp of the left wing nαzι extremists where he began his career. '