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The Revolution Takes Hold Under Benedict XV(15?)
« on: October 24, 2012, 11:39:05 AM »
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  • In light of LoT's remedial attack on Pius XII, I was wondering if he( or anyone else) would like to comment on the modernism of this Pope(anti-pope?) whose very election may not even be legal.  :confused1:

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    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 12:16:47 PM »
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    In light of LoT's remedial attack on Pius XII, I was wondering if he( or anyone else) would like to comment on the modernism of this Pope(anti-pope?) whose very election may not even be legal.  :confused1:



    I would prefer not to call it an attack but trying to get the record straight among objective posters.  I certainly believe the election of Benedict XV was legal.  I don't know if he was a modernist or was influenced by them at all.  I know he was the first to read the 3rd secret and did not consecrate Russia the way our Lady asked.  He did not write many encyclicals, which could be considered refreshing after dealing with JP2.  I read all his stuff and it wasted a large portion of my life.

    I'm sure this thread is not motivated by the wish to have everyone to gang up on me.

    I'm also sure that most who read understand that not all the popes in history were as great as Pius X and that they can be imprudent and that they do not always do the best thing at the best time.

    But let me ask the question and see.  I have been surprised by responses before.

    1.  Were all the popes as great as Pius X was?

    2.  Was Pius XII as great as Pius X was?

    Remember noone was canonized between Pius V and Pius X.  Now they want to "canonize" JP 2 and Paul 6 no less!!!  That means they were better than all the Popes between Pius V and Pius X.

    Hopefully no one will call me any names or hurt my feelings and make me cry to mamma over this one.  

    I repeat the words of Patrick Henry Omlor when trying to get to the bottom if this issue:

         That the arguments presented herein are beyond question or challenge I do not claim.  Assuredly they will not be the "last word" on the subject.

         "You must not so cling to what we have said," St. Anselm advised his disciple, "as to abide by it obstinately when others with more weighty arguments succeed in overthrowing ours and establishing opinions against them."  When more weighty arguments (either for or against mine) are advanced, I will welcome them.  And I will take as my own these words of the same great St. Anselm: "If there is anything that calls for correction I do not refuse the correction."

         What I have striven for is clarity.  Each paragraph of this monograph is numbered uniquely, so that all who wish to question or rebut any particular point, or many points, may with ease refer to what I have written.  Not only will this aid my sincere opponents in citing chapter and verse against me, but it will also point up the insincerity of all blanket criticisms that avoid citing specifics.


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    The Revolution Takes Hold Under Benedict XV(15?)
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 12:27:39 PM »
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    I read all his stuff and it wasted a large portion of my life.


    By "his" stuff I refer to JP2 not Benedict XV.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 12:39:46 PM »
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  • It is becoming increasingly evident that LoT's ability to evaluate history is somewhat specious. The topic of this post is Benedict XV(15?) not 16.

    But for the record, is LoT saying that the election of the anti-pope Benedict 16 is legal?

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    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 12:42:09 PM »
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  • I'm not sure which part of the following quote you missed from me above:

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    I certainly believe the election of Benedict XV was legal.


    Is it a problem with the Roman numerals or did you just misread it?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2012, 12:46:17 PM »
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  • The comment of LoT above says that he 'could be refreshing AFTER dealing with JP2'. Unless I am mistaken, Benedict XV(15?) was pope about 70 yrs b4 JP2. It shouldn't be to hard to comprende why I assuming that U are confusing the 2 Benedicts.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 12:49:32 PM »
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    The comment of LoT above says that he 'could be refreshing AFTER dealing with JP2'. Unless I am mistaken, Benedict XV(15?) was pope about 100 yrs b4 JP2. Forgive me then for assuming that U are confusing the 2 Benedicts.


    I said that Benedict XV wrote the least amount of encyclicals but so no one will intepret that as being necessarily bad I compared that to JP who never stopped writing or speaking until the day he died.

    Any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.  Clarity is quite important and I probably could have worded my post better.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 12:52:10 PM »
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  • Below is the quote in question:

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    I certainly believe the election of Benedict XV was legal.  I don't know if he was a modernist or was influenced by them at all.  I know he was the first to read the 3rd secret and did not consecrate Russia the way our Lady asked.  He did not write many encyclicals, which could be considered refreshing after dealing with JP2.


    Throughout I speak of Benedict XV.

    I don't know of any "Benedict 16"  Only a Father Ratzinger that goes by that alias.

    Let's leave the arch-heretic, Father Ratzinger out of this if possible.  :laugh1:
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 12:54:04 PM »
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  • I think U should read your post again-- U are clearly referring to a Benedict that come AFTER( your own words posted immediately above) JP2.

    Unless I am mistaken, Ratzinger is the only person claiming to be a Benedict AFTER JP2
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    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 01:04:29 PM »
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    I think U should read your post again-- U are clearly referring to a Benedict that come AFTER( your own words posted immediately above) JP2.

    Unless I am mistaken, Ratzinger is the only person claiming to be a Benedict AFTER JP2


    Bye.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 01:32:06 PM »
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    In light of LoT's remedial attack on Pius XII, I was wondering if he( or anyone else) would like to comment on the modernism of this Pope(anti-pope?) whose very election may not even be legal.  :confused1:



    He did not write many encyclicals, which could be considered refreshing after dealing with JP2.  


    What part of AFTER needs to be clarified.

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    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 01:38:14 PM »
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    In light of LoT's remedial attack on Pius XII, I was wondering if he( or anyone else) would like to comment on the modernism of this Pope(anti-pope?) whose very election may not even be legal.  :confused1:



    I would prefer not to call it an attack but trying to get the record straight among objective posters.  I certainly believe the election of Benedict XV was legal.  I don't know if he was a modernist or was influenced by them at all.  I know he was the first to read the 3rd secret and did not consecrate Russia the way our Lady asked.


    Which pope are u referring to that 'did not consecrate Russia the way our lady asked'?

    If it is Pius XII, this is again incorrect because he interpreted Fatima as requiring  the consecration of THE WHOLE WORLD. Unless I am mistaken, Russia is part of the world & is there fore included in the consecration.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 05:52:05 PM »
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  • Pius XI did not consecrate Russia to the heart of the Virgin either. I am waiting for him to be accused by LoT as has been Pius XII & apparently Benedict XV.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 24, 2012, 08:43:56 PM »
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    I certainly believe the election of Benedict XV was legal.  I don't know if he was a modernist or was influenced by them at all.  I know he was the first to read the 3rd secret and did not consecrate Russia the way our Lady asked. He did not write many encyclicals, which could be considered refreshing after dealing with JP2.


    Throughout I speak of Benedict XV.

    I don't know of any "Benedict 16"  Only a Father Ratzinger that goes by that alias.

    Let's leave the arch-heretic, Father Ratzinger out of this if possible.  :laugh1:


    You're wrong about Benedict XV: reading the Third Secret, etc.  He did no such thing.

    Neither did Pius XI.  Neither Pius XI nor Benedict XV ever saw the Third Secret of
    Fatima.  So they could not have made any decision about it: they were ignorant of
    it, just as you and I are, only worse, because we have clues to go by from others
    who HAVE read it, and have made various relevant comments.

    It's easy to pass erroneous judgment on popes when you get your facts mixed up.  

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    « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 08:55:23 PM »
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    I read all his stuff and it wasted a large portion of my life.


    By "his" stuff I refer to JP2 not Benedict XV.


    OMG.

    You read all of JPII's stuff?  You have my deepest sympathy!  That's terrible.

    As I recall, I quit after my third or fourth headache, and discovered Pope St. Pius X.
    The day I first picked up Pascendi, I knew I had discovered my mission.  Then, I
    did a spot check with Pascendi against Blahblahblah (JPII's whatever) and never
    looked back.  

    Maybe my guardian angel was influential or something.  There were a number of
    very holy women praying for me, so that's a big factor.  I can't take credit for it
    myself; it's just that when something makes you physically sick, there's a strong
    incentive to avoid it in the future, right?
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