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So the conflation continues on both sides, where teaching (Magisterium) and "commands" are being blurred together.

1) Infallible Magisterium (teaching) -- requires assent with the certainty of faith
2) Infallible Universal Discipline (commands) -- requires unquestioning obedience and acceptance
3) Non-Infallible Magiserium (teaching) -- requires internal religious assent (both sides misinterpret this)
4) Non-Universal Commands -- requires obedience UNLESS complying would be contrary to faith or morals
5) Personal Teaching of Pope as Private Theologian -- accept it if true, reject it if false
6) Personal Actions of the Pope -- not protected, where he can sin like anyone else

Much conflation by both sides of all these layers of papal authority in this thread.

R&R try to claim that the Conciliar problem entails #3, #4, #5, #6 only ... with an extreemly loose interpretation of #3 that makes it tantamount to #5
SVs claim that the Conciliar problem also includes #1 and #2 ... with a strict interpretation of #3 that makes it tantamount to #1

R&R fail badly on #2, since the New Mass is clearly Universal Discipline, where the Holy Ghost protects a pope from promulgating a Rite of Mass that's offensive to God and harmful to souls.

SV fail in exaggerating the scope of #1 an then offering an interpretation of #3 that's so strict that it becomes, for all intents and purposes, the same as #1.

Both sides are quibbling about the scope of #1 rather than recognizing that this problem goes well beyond that, to the indefectibility of the Church.

  Last week a neo-SSPX faithful asked me what I thought of the SSPX . He was saying the SSPX is now exposing how the Vatican is modernist, and the role of the SSPX is to attempt to purge Rome of Modernism...

    I immediately replied that, for starters, +Lefebvre didn't appeal his 'excommunication', because it was null and void, but today's SSPX considers it legit...so logically the SSPX is now neo-SSPX because they are not following their Founder...along with a looong list of issues. I believe this is a heavyweight argument.

  I didn't have time to add that +L repeated many times: "The inferiors do not form the superiors", re: purging the Modernist spirit out of the Vatican hierarchy, esp. the Pope's evil philosophy / modernist attitude / depraved morals.  Many prayers and sacrifices are the remedy, esp. for Christ's representative on earth.> Probable Miracle of grace>Conversion.

The Church is to exist till the end of time: One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. God's Truth cannot change - Eternity is the mystery.

Pray.

I can't remember if ABL may have sought to some extent a hearing of his case, but it was denied/ignored because it would look bad on the modernists.