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Offline MonsieurValentine

Re: The Reform of the neoSSPX
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 02:35:43 PM »
Quote from: orchardofelias on Yesterday at 02:28:17 PM
I recommend Fr. Chezal's booklet "Contra Cekadam". I actually think for sedes it's necessary to maintain any shred of integrity, so comprehensive is his case. Afterwards read Fr. Cekada's response, which I found lacking to say the least. But to be knowledgeable about this issue, you really have to read these back-and-forths.
If Prevost and his VII predecessors are legitimate popes than you MUST submit to their authority and all the doctrines they promulgate.
So get out your felt banners, give the sign of peace, and join in with the LGBT pride mass, or worship the great thumb...because it doesn't really matter, everybody goes to heaven. 
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Offline St Giles

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Re: The Reform of the neoSSPX
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:34:02 PM »
Quote from: MonsieurValentine on Yesterday at 02:35:43 PM
If Prevost and his VII predecessors are legitimate popes than you MUST submit to their authority and all the doctrines they promulgate.
So get out your felt banners, give the sign of peace, and join in with the LGBT pride mass, or worship the great thumb...because it doesn't really matter, everybody goes to heaven.
So, you are the exact opposite of a novus ordite that believes everything the pope says must be obeyed and infallible. Remember Judas? Remember Peter's triple denial? The Pope isn't Christ, just His vicar, another human, and lately they haven't been letting Christ reign vicariously through them.

Virtue and truth tend to lay somewhere in the middle of two extremes, and it does in this case.
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Offline Twice dyed

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Re: The Reform of the neoSSPX
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 09:32:15 PM »
Quote from: MonsieurValentine on Yesterday at 02:35:43 PM
If Prevost and his VII predecessors are legitimate popes than you MUST submit to their authority and all the doctrines they promulgate.
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   Who in reality has the authority to determine who is a pope or not?  There's the rub.... I am shaking dah Σpear !
Some council, or maybe a dicastery...at least some religious (think St Catherine of Sienna).

 Once you realize that lay folk are 99.99999% at a loss to ascertain if Pope Leo XIV is Pope or not, or if the previous 6-7 popes were real popes or not, then you MUST pray for the Pope!..in this case for his return to Tradition/doctrine.  R& R Catholic faithful don't obey the Pope when he promotes Modernism or vice etc, we must firstly obey God's commands before men's. I haven't read much about Leo's famous trip to France, but he tries to put the brakes on abortion and M.A.I.D. (Assisted s*ic1de). The Church needs many many prayers and sacrifices. As Bossuet said: Il faut que ça coûte! [No pain - no gain , sortof] Prayers take effort, Sacrifices take courage etc.

  When JP II visited Canada in Sept '84, I had no desire to see him. Fr. Yves Normandin did see the Pope and joined the N.Ordo church, and told all the couples he had witnessed for their marriages , to get regularized by the bishops... Modernism is a contagious disease, as per +Lefebvre. I think he even stated that the mess in the Church is not his problem: it is God's problem: God always triumphs!!!

Point is: Pray for the Pope, and simply do God's holy will to enter heaven eventually...

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Reform of the neoSSPX
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 09:40:49 PM »
Quote from: St Giles on Yesterday at 07:34:02 PM
So, you are the exact opposite of a novus ordite that believes everything the pope says must be obeyed and infallible. Remember Judas? Remember Peter's triple denial? The Pope isn't Christ, just His vicar, another human, and lately they haven't been letting Christ reign vicariously through them.

Virtue and truth tend to lay somewhere in the middle of two extremes, and it does in this case.

You'd do better to drop the idiotic strawman about "everything the pope says", or ... does, by talking about Judas and St. Peter.  That's just moronic.  Latter two refer to actions, and nobody says that a pope's actions are inerrant, nor does anyone hold that everything a popes "says" must be believed (obeyed and infallible).  You're also mixing terms.  Commands must be "obeyed" and infallible teachings must be believed.  You also deal in false binaries, so that either something is an infallible solemn definintion or else it's "take it or leave it".

I mean ... this post is such a hot mess that it's even possible to untangle it straight enought to refute.

Papal Teaching that meets the notes of infallbility must be believed with the certainty of faith.
Papal Teaching that does not meet the notes of infallibility must nevertheless be accepted with "internal religious assent".
Univeral Discipline mandated by the Pope must be obeyed.
Stuff the Pope says in other capacities (i.e. in an interview, sermon, etc.) needn't be accepted.
General commands of the Pope must be obeyed unless they are contrary to faith or morals.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Reform of the neoSSPX
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 09:43:58 PM »
Quote from: Twice dyed on Yesterday at 09:32:15 PM
 
Point is: Pray for the Pope, and simply do God's holy will to enter heaven eventually...

So, by insisting that these Modernist heretics are Popes, you're claiming that the Magisterium and Universal Discipline of the Church can defect, and that's heretical and completely undermines Catholic faith, and with such attitudes there is no entering heaven, unless you straighten out your mind enough to be able to have supernatural faith.  You believe in the Church as some natural institution that can become so corrupt that it no longer serves are a reliable guide to truth and to salvation, and that's simply not compatible with Catholicism.  You end up embracing something that's more akin to Old Catholicism.
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