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Author Topic: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO  (Read 10160 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2021, 11:49:26 AM »
I can't speak to numbers, but archbishop Lefebvre told people they could attend the new mass FOR SUNDAY OBLIGATION if they felt obliged to which is a lot further than anyone here is even arguing for.  I've never heard any traditional clergy EXCEPT fr wathen say you can't go to a new mass for a funeral or wedding.  Now there probably are some, maybe they're correct, but that's definitely not a requirement to be a traditional Catholic just because you say it is.  Your accusing everyone who disagrees of bad will is uncharacteristically dimondite as well.  
I heard many different priests both from the pulpit and in person tell us we cannot go to the new "mass," mostly prior to the 1980s but when the changes first hit, many (not all) of those priests who were kicked out of their rectories told us to avoid the whole NO like the plague that it is. I was too young then to fully understand why, but did end up figuring it out by the grace of God - but now, after all the devastation the evil thing has caused, it's easy to see, or should be imo, yet people STILL defend it not knowing or accepting what it really is. 

I sometimes wonder why the trad clergy of all ranks devote so little time to this issue when it seems they should do everything they can to wholly condemn the evil thing, loud and clear, regularly. Perhaps to them it's yesterdays news, but too many of them believe it's only an inferior service.  

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2021, 11:50:24 AM »
They also softened, over time, especially after the 1988 indult came into existence.
Since we want to get the history right, 1988 was the creation of the Ecclesia Dei commission, and the wider application of pre-existing indults for the TLM, in response to +ABL consecrating bishops.

There were indults before 1988. If someone just said "the indult", I would probably assume they meant the wordwide indult of 1984.

There were even earlier ones such as the 1971 indult for the UK often called the "Agatha Christie indult".


Offline Stubborn

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Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2021, 11:52:16 AM »
No, we are not saying Canon 1258 applies to the new mass. Among other reasons, the new mass has the appearances of an approved Catholic rite. It's an argument by analogy from something we assumed you would accept.
You just perfectly explained in your above quote, in a nutshell, why it is more dangerous to go to a NO service than it is to go to a prot service, which is what Pax is talking about.


Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2021, 11:55:46 AM »
The the only difference between occasionally and never attending the Novus Ordo is that you are either occasionally attending the blasphemous service or you never attend the blasphemous service.  

It really is that simple.

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2021, 12:08:34 PM »
And yet the Church pre-V2 permitted Catholics to passively attend non-Cathoic services despite those services' evils against the Faith.

If you read Canon 1258, in the 1917 Code, the Church does not give Catholics permission for "Merely passive or material presence..."  

It specifically states: "Merely passive or material presence may be tolerated..."  It doesn't say it IS tolerated (or permitted, for that matter), but that it MAY be tolerated. 

The Catholic Church did not give a "free pass" to Catholics, to attend non-Catholic ceremonies or service, even passively.