Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 8 9 [10] 11 12 ... 17

Author Topic: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO  (Read 10151 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Sgt Rock USMC

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2021, 08:13:21 AM »
Quote from: Emile on July 26, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
Your fellow Marine, who is a heretic, gets killed saving your life. Do you attend his funeral?
No
Logged

Offline Stanley N

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2021, 08:26:48 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 27, 2021, 05:51:29 AM
No one's honor is at stake, of this there is no doubt - scratch this reason for going.
No, "honor" here IS the relevant reason. By your presence, you honor the deceased or the person(s) the ceremony is about.

Thus you can attend the funeral to honor a deceased relative, or deceased friend, or a deceased head of state (an example of honoring someone you may never have met).

Doing so is an act of virtue, but as a non-theological virtue it can be limited by potentially giving scandal or endangering one's faith.

Logged

Offline Stubborn

  • Supporter
Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2021, 08:28:08 AM »
Quote from: Emile on July 27, 2021, 08:10:43 AM
This work has a slightly different English translation that might make the meaning clearer for you:
https://archive.org/details/pointsofchurchla0000slat/page/21/mode/1up
You seem to be misunderstanding "honoris". From the Dictionary of Ecclesiastical Latin (Leo F. Stelton): "honor, distinction, esteem, reward, acknowledgement"
As for doubt simply reread the sentence:
In doubtful cases the reason for assisting must be grave, and recognized as such by the Bishop
The slightly different translation may help as well. Sorry, I don't have time right now to type it out.
From your link......

Quote
...Still, his passive presence may be misunderstood. It may be looked upon as giving some sort of approbation or recognition to the claims of a false religion, or it may be a cause of scandal to others, or there may be danger of relaxing one's own religious fibre and giving in to the spirit of religious indifference.

For these reasons it is better, as a general rule, to keep away altogether from non-Catholic religious services as far as is possible. However, at times this is scarcely possible.
So the general rule is to keep away, the general rule is *not* to go, sit in the back and not participate.

He then gives a few good examples of what is meant by "honor/respect or civil office"....
 
Quote
A Catholic may be a registrar of marriages, and his office may require him to assist at a Protestant marriage in his official capacity. Or a Catholic tenant may be expected to be present at the funeral of his Protestant landlord. In these and similar cases the second section of Canon 1258 says that the passive presence of Catholics at non-Catholic religious services may be tolerated, if there be a good reason, and if there be no danger of perversion or of scandal. The duties of some special office or the need of showing respect will furnish the good reason required, and in such cases there will not be much danger of perversion or of scandal. In case of doubt whether the reason is sufficiently grave the canon requires that the bishop be consulted.

Logged

Offline Stubborn

  • Supporter
Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2021, 08:34:22 AM »
Quote from: Stanley N on July 27, 2021, 08:26:48 AM
No, "honor" here IS the relevant reason. You honor the deceased or the people the ceremony is about by your presence.
How exactly is it honoring or respecting either the daughter or parents by their passive presence at non-Catholic wedding ceremony due to the daughter refusing to marry in a Catholic ceremony? Please explain.
Logged

Offline Stanley N

Re: The real issue between occasionally and never attending NO
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2021, 08:43:57 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 27, 2021, 08:34:22 AM
How exactly is it honoring or respecting either the daughter or parents by their passive presence at non-Catholic wedding ceremony due to the daughter refusing to marry in a Catholic ceremony? Please explain.
Your presence at a wedding is you giving honor to the couple getting married. The only reason you're there is the wedding, unless you happen to be a member of the church where the wedding occurs.

Your question is conflating another issue. If a Catholic were to marry outside the Church (without dispensation, so invalid), you couldn't go (due to potentially giving scandal).
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 8 9 [10] 11 12 ... 17
« previous next »