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The Real Galileo
« on: November 07, 2008, 05:47:03 PM »
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  • The Real Galileo

    Chapter One

    Most have heard the allegation how at one time the Catholic Church would torture, imprison, or burn anyone who alleged that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Galileo and Giordano Bruno are most often cited as examples of this. With respect to the former, Urban VIII himself believed the Earth to revolve around the Sun and Bruno was executed as an unrepentant heretic wholly apart from any sympathy with Copernicus.


    It is the purpose of this work to shatter the overall public conception re: the nature of the relationship between Galileo Galilei and the Roman Catholic Church. This relativity is in two areas--astronomy( although Galileo is saying nothing new) and physics which is the main occupation of his life( Tower of Pisa etc). Einstien refers to Galileo as the father of modern physics.



    In breaking these conceptions, the actions of the Church will be shown to be above reproach. There are two encounters of Galileo with INQ--1616 and 1633. It is true that he is censored both times in in astronomical terms but this will be shown as only symbolic in the second case. Galileo is first indicted for demanding that Copernicanism be accepted as a Dogmatic Article of Faith.


    What exactly IS Copernicanism? Osiander's( he and Kepler are the two main Protestants who believed Earth/ Sun) intro to the original De Revolutionibus describes the three part astronomical doctrine.
    1) Earth revolves around the Sun
    2) The Sun is Stationary(fixed)
    3) The Sun is therefore the center of the Universe-- allegedly upsetting the Biblical story of the Earth in the center.
    These three parts were all given equal consideration by INQ.


    Copernicus had said all of this previously in his book of 1543 so the doctrine had been arond at least 73 years before 1616. On Revolution was not placed on the index of forbidden books prior to Galileo. This condemnation was gradually lifted in 1758 and again in 1835. Copernnicus himself had been employed by the Church in the ongoing process of the reorganisation of the Calendar as early as 1520 and the idea that Earth/ Sun is used in the computation of the Gregorian Calendar of 1582. This is still in use by mankind today.


    Speculation that Earth revolves around Sun is a good example of a Renaissance idea as it was believed BC by Aristarchus and others-- excepting Ptolmey and Aristotle of course. It is Newton's theory of Gravity along with James Bradley in 1725 that provide the proof of Earth/ Sun. The later experiment of Focault's pendulum is proof the Earth rotates on an axis.


    Copernicus himself had doubts about his own theory. This is why De Revolutionibus was not published during his lifetime. These doubts were correct as science has now shown the Sun to be in motion--it is flying through space( and not around the Earth) at about 40,000 mph. Therefore Dogmatic Article Of Faith #2 of Galileo which resurrects the ancient Pythagorean idea of the Sun being stationary is shown as erronious. It should be evident to the reader that DAF #3 saying the Sun is the center of the Universe is also mistaken-- although there are cults in the world today who believe this.


    Not until years later is it understood that the Sun and Earth are BOTH in motion. All this controversy leads to the conception of the Solar System early in the 18th century.


    The way INQ deals with the idea that  Earth may not be the PHYSICAL center of the Universe is to settle on the concept of a-centrism as opposed to helio or geocentrism. In other words, the Earth is the center of the Universe in a SPIRITUAL  sense which is not necessarily respective of it's physical location.


    By no means does this imply that science and history cannot be reconciled with Scripture and the Tradition of Holy Church-- to say this is heretical. The point is that without any specific Biblical phrase saying the Sun revolves around the Earth, there is no law forbidding an interprettion of the Bible which says Earth/ Sun. Otherwise the Gregorian Calendar would have to be denied. It is the fixed Sun in the center of the Universe that are the errors of Copernicanism-- not Earth/ Sun. It is amusing that Luther, Calvin, James, Bacon et al believed the Sun to revolve around Earth-- so much for Sola Scriptura.


    Copernicus spoke hypotheticaly as there was no scientific proof of anything at the time. Not so Galileo as his attitude was quite obnoxious and it is this attitude which causes INQ to take notice. He would refer to others who disagreed with him as idiots and the like. His manner was abraisive and he was a know it all. His other astronomical ideas should be noted. He was incorrect about ellipses, comets and tides while at the same time deserving credit for Jupiters moons and sunspots showing the Sun to rotate on an axis.


    Was the belligerent attack of Galileo that of a 5th column provacateur? According to von Pastor, some suspected him as an agent of Paolo Sarpi( the Italian Luther) attempting to subvert the Church from whatever quarter was convenient.


    The Sun being in motion while not going around the Earth raises the question of where exactly it may be going( for some reason there are those who become excessively emotional when confronted with this thought). Is the Sun in turn revolving around another bigger star?--some say Alcyone in a 26,000 year orbit. The precession period of the Earth's axis is also 26,000 years.


    It is possible that there is a Photonic Band of light enveloping the Alcyonic( or whatever star our Sun is orbiting) system and that everything in the system must necessarily encounter it periodically--say every 13,000 years or so for a period of 1080 yrs? http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_photonic_belt.htm


    Could all of this have something to do with the Biblical flood or 2012? Why are there massive UG structures that have been built all over the globe? Who is planning on taking shelter there? David Icke diagrams the Photonic Band in one of his books and gives the date of Dec 21,2012  for a possible collision with it. When asked specifically on Coast to Coast AM recently, he says he now thinks that 2012 will be a sort of "general spiritual awakening for mankind" and tends to discount any sudden physical event that may result from an encounter with the Photonic Band.


    Chapter two of The Real Galileo to follow.














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    « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 01:28:08 PM »
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  • Chapter Two


    After a closer look then it is found that Galileo is merely an innocent bystander in the 1616 dispute within the Church over Copernicanism-- not being the author of said doctrine.


    What is 'Galileo'  about then? Why is he in trouble with INQ again in 1633? A pretext is made that the Imprimateur for the Dialogues of 1632 was obtained fraudulently but it really has to do with the The Assayer( IL Saggiatore) which is published in 1623. The source of what follows is Galileo Heretic by Pietro Redondi( non-Cath). This book is put out by Einstien's Princeton U and translated by a judaic. Catholic's will not agree with more than a few of the conclusions reached by the author but he does seem to give an accurate historical account of the events which lead to 1633.


    As mentioned above, Galileo was a physicist much more than he was an astronomer. The great majority of his achievements come in this area. In The Assayer it is evident that Galileo holds the same atomist physical theories as Pythagoras, Epicurus and Einstien. Pythagoras believed everything could be defined by a number( Galileo's Mistake) -- hence the term Quantum Physics. This thinking is at odds with the Qualitative Physics of Aristotle which have been reconciled to Holy Church by St Thomas.


    Urban VIII wrote the intro to The Assayer apparently without understanding the nature of it's contents( Urban is quite well known as a liberal Pope). It is the physical views held in The Assayer which finally motivates Spain's Card Borgia to confront the Pope and bring him to his senses. Galileo's quantum, atomist physics is really an attack on The Doctrine of The Real Presence-- he leaves no room for miracles.


    From Fr Parsons Some Lies And Errors Of History pg 86
    " ...To such a tribunal a denunciation was made that Galileo or his deciples had asserted that God is an accident and not a substance--a personal being; that miracles are not miracles at all. Then the Pontiff declared that for the termination of the scandal, Galileo should be cited and admonished by the Sacred Congregation."


    An attack on the Eucharist using atomist physical theories is certainly nothing new as this was used by Wycliffe, Luther, Calvin etc. This is what the 'Reformation' is all about. The anti-pope Boniface 8 was accused by some of being an Epicurian. The Real Galileo has been found.


    Sources

    1) Burke Gaffney--Kepler and Jesuits
    2)Broderick, James--Galileo and also Card Bellarmine (2nd ed)
    3) Copernicus--De Revolutionibus( book 1) Easton Press edition with 2 intros and Copernicus letter to Paul III
    4) Parsons, Fr Rueben--Studies in Church History v4 and Some Lies And Errors Of History
    5) von Pastor, Ludwig--History of Popes v 19( reorganisation of calendar) and v25( Galileo 1616). Also v 29 which covers 1633. Use caution with this vol as Prof Pastor confuses the terms rotation and revolution. He also does not understand that there is more to Galileo than astronomy.
    6) Rowland, Wade--Galileo's Mistake( trying to explain things w/o God). Mr Rowland also does not see that Galileo is really about physics and not astronomy.
    7) Redondi, Pietro--Galileo Heretic
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    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 10:29:55 PM »
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  • Where are you getting this from?

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    « Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 02:04:13 AM »
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  • OJ Simpson
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    « Reply #4 on: November 10, 2008, 04:35:17 AM »
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  • Is that so?


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    « Reply #5 on: November 21, 2008, 09:44:46 PM »
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  • I gave the sources above.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 12:12:12 AM »
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  • I have attempted to comment in the London Times re: this Galileo article and have been censored( of course)

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3478943.ece

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