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Robert Francis Prevost elected by the putative College of Cardinals in conclave on 8 May 2025 and assuming the regnal name of Leon XIV is:

The Bishop of Rome and Supreme Pontiff of the universal Church, therefore a valid, licit, and formal Pope.
6 (13.6%)
A material Pope and merely an administrator of the Roman See, having obtained valid election but lacking one or elements necessary for him to obtain the Petrine Office Himself.
13 (29.5%)
A usurper and pretender claimant of the Papal Office whilst another valid and truly hold the Petrine Office, being therefore an Antipope.
0 (0%)
A usurper, heretical, and criminal claimant of the Papal Office, being therefore a False Pope.
16 (36.4%)
I am not sure.
9 (20.5%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Voting closed: Yesterday at 06:39:21 AM

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Offline josefamenendez

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Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2025, 04:49:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 09, 2025, 10:23:19 AM
    Speaking of Barnhardt ...

    I'm very tired of her obnoxious/arrogant "ARSH" (as if the Anno Domino that everyone in the Church has used forever wasn't good enough for her ... narcissism, anyone?) ...

    but apart from that, I'd love to find out how she thinks this was a "valid conclave", since Bergs (whom she considers an Antipope, without her being a sedeprivationist or even knowing what that term means) appointed 108 of the 133 Cardinals who voted.
    I'm not a hardcore Barnhardt fan- I find her consistently (and insistently) wrong on a lot of things (like Benevacantism) but I check the website often because many times she gets things right , so it an interesting blend if you are willing to sift through her stuff.
    What I do like about her , however is that she doesn't feign false piety which is repulsive to me.
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    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #31 on: May 09, 2025, 04:51:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 09, 2025, 04:46:42 PM
    I swear, if I were pope, Michael Matt and Taylor Marshall would be the first two that I would excommunicate by name, even before the Modernists, since the non-membership of the latter in the Church goes without saying.

    I'd require them to do public penance, issue apologies, give their ill-gotten gains to the poor, get real jobs, and never again make a public statement for the rest of their lives before readmitting them to communion with the Church.

    Next on the list would be some of the neo-SSPX types pushing various flavors of thinly-veiled Old Catholicism.

    After that the rabid EENS-haters need to be slapped upside the head and/or beaten with fists.

    It's like the hot or cold syndrome mentioned by Our Lord.  I HAVE MUCH MORE RESPECT for an OPEN RABID Modernist like Jorge who just sticks to his guns than these waffling grifting fence-sitting cowardly turds like Matt and Marshall, who need to be vomited forth from the mouth of the Church.  At least Jorge is honest and sincere.
    So what do you have against being salty and uniting the clans??!!
    Don't you want to be on the TEAM?? (team Mammon)
    LOL
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #32 on: May 09, 2025, 04:58:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 09, 2025, 04:51:15 PM
    So what do you have against being salty and uniting the clans??!!
    Don't you want to be on the TEAM?? (team Mammon)
    LOL

    In fact, I would lobby to be elected Pope ... with a promise of resigning after a few days ... just so I could excommunicate those guys.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #33 on: May 09, 2025, 04:59:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 09, 2025, 04:49:20 PM
    I'm not a hardcore Barnhardt fan- I find her consistently (and insistently) wrong on a lot of things (like Benevacantism) but I check the website often because many times she gets things right , so it an interesting blend if you are willing to sift through her stuff.
    What I do like about her , however is that she doesn't feign false piety which is repulsive to me.

    She has some good information there, especially when she was getting the scoop from Argentina about Bergoglio ... but you just have to ignore anything "theological" that comes from her mouth, and I do think her ARSH stuff is a kind of false piety or narcicism.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #34 on: May 09, 2025, 05:00:42 PM »
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    • Here's a take from a non-sedevacantist where he's talking about Matt and Trad, Inc. "falling for it".  See, I'm of a different mindset.  I think they are quite deliberately gatekeeping and/or at least compromising.  I cannot conclude anything other than that Matt is primarily driven by revenue potential and the never-ending quest to maximize his audience and his revenue.  He could very well even be a paid shill gatekeeper.

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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #35 on: May 09, 2025, 05:14:33 PM »
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    • I mean, the apple ain't gonna fall too far from the tree.  Anyone really think things are going to turn around now and Vatican II will get dumped?
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #36 on: May 09, 2025, 05:15:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on May 09, 2025, 05:14:33 PM
    I mean, the apple ain't gonna fall to far from the tree.  Anyone really think things are going to turn around now and Vatican II will get dumped?

    Right ... Bergoglio would not have appointed to high rank in the Conciliar Church anyone with a Traditional bone in his body.
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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #37 on: May 09, 2025, 10:01:12 PM »
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    • Why people think that we have anything different happening? It puzzles me.

    The game has been going on since 1958. If the man is miraculously a good and Catholic Pope, we will soon know. Every single piece of evidence we have indicates that he is just the same as all the others. 
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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #38 on: May 09, 2025, 10:04:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on May 09, 2025, 10:01:12 PM
    Why people think that we have anything different happening? It puzzles me.

    The game has been going on since 1958. If the man is miraculously a good and Catholic Pope, we will soon know. Every single piece of evidence we have indicates that he is just the same as all the others.

    Trad, Inc. are pushing in that direction.

    It's really all about your paradigm of the Conciliar Revolution.  Is this about Liberal vs. Conservative in the Church?

    No, the Church has been taken over and it's as much just kayfabe in the Conciliar Church as it is in the US government.
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    Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
    « Reply #39 on: May 11, 2025, 06:37:11 AM »
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    • For those who chose "I am not sure", I would be interested in knowing why...if you don't mind explaining.
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