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Robert Francis Prevost elected by the putative College of Cardinals in conclave on 8 May 2025 and assuming the regnal name of Leon XIV is:

The Bishop of Rome and Supreme Pontiff of the universal Church, therefore a valid, licit, and formal Pope.
6 (13.6%)
A material Pope and merely an administrator of the Roman See, having obtained valid election but lacking one or elements necessary for him to obtain the Petrine Office Himself.
13 (29.5%)
A usurper and pretender claimant of the Papal Office whilst another valid and truly hold the Petrine Office, being therefore an Antipope.
0 (0%)
A usurper, heretical, and criminal claimant of the Papal Office, being therefore a False Pope.
16 (36.4%)
I am not sure.
9 (20.5%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Voting closed: May 12, 2025, 06:39:21 AM

Author Topic: The Question of the Papal Claimant  (Read 5409 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2025, 04:25:36 PM »
Do you believe the material continuity has been severed because there are no longer any validly consecrated bishops? Do you think Bp. Guérard des Lauriers would believe that his thesis would still be valid under today's conditions?

So I believe that the Siri Theory is the most plausible (and, quite frankly, only workable) explanation for what's taken place.  So in that case Roncalli was never even materially the Pope, the Cardinals he appointed not even material Cardinals, etc.

Others who don't believe in the Siri Theory believe that Jorge's election was illegitimate, either because of Ratzinger's non-resignation (which would have resulted in an impeded See similar to what would have prevailed in the Siri scenario), or else due to collusion on the part of the electors (St. Gallen mafia).

Invalid Episcopal Consecration would still have permitted these men to remain material Popes, though without valid consecration they could not formally exercise certain aspects of the office that required being a bishop, in particular teaching authority.

I'm not sure what Bishop des Lauriers would say.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2025, 04:32:31 PM »
Ah, there it is. So she says the conclave was valid, but the sede vacante clock is still running on the sidebar.

Not sure ... maybe she's decided that Prevost is a heretic like Bergoglio.  Who knows with her?  She's all over the map.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2025, 04:42:48 PM »
Here's that piece of trash Michael Matt defending his support for the latest Antipope, so he can keep his revenue stream going ... and deriding "Traditional Catholics" who were opposed to Ratzinger.  They were right about Ratzinger, unless you're just a shape-shifting dishonest Modernist-heretic grifter shill like Michael Matt.  What a dirtbag this guy is.

https://x.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1920905331305042020

Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2025, 04:43:45 PM »
Have I been asleep for a few centuries? There's now a Pope Leo The 45th??:(
I hit the Capital letter key by accident. Get over it

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2025, 04:46:42 PM »
I swear, if I were pope, Michael Matt and Taylor Marshall would be the first two that I would excommunicate by name, even before the Modernists, since the non-membership of the latter in the Church goes without saying.

I'd require them to do public penance, issue apologies, give their ill-gotten gains to the poor, get real jobs, and never again make a public statement for the rest of their lives before readmitting them to communion with the Church.

Next on the list would be some of the neo-SSPX types pushing various flavors of thinly-veiled Old Catholicism.

After that the rabid EENS-haters need to be slapped upside the head and/or beaten with fists.

It's like the hot or cold syndrome mentioned by Our Lord.  I HAVE MUCH MORE RESPECT for an OPEN RABID Modernist like Jorge who just sticks to his guns than these waffling grifting fence-sitting cowardly turds like Matt and Marshall, who need to be vomited forth from the mouth of the Church.  At least Jorge is honest and sincere.