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Robert Francis Prevost elected by the putative College of Cardinals in conclave on 8 May 2025 and assuming the regnal name of Leon XIV is:

The Bishop of Rome and Supreme Pontiff of the universal Church, therefore a valid, licit, and formal Pope.
6 (13.6%)
A material Pope and merely an administrator of the Roman See, having obtained valid election but lacking one or elements necessary for him to obtain the Petrine Office Himself.
13 (29.5%)
A usurper and pretender claimant of the Papal Office whilst another valid and truly hold the Petrine Office, being therefore an Antipope.
0 (0%)
A usurper, heretical, and criminal claimant of the Papal Office, being therefore a False Pope.
16 (36.4%)
I am not sure.
9 (20.5%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Voting closed: May 12, 2025, 06:39:21 AM

Author Topic: The Question of the Papal Claimant  (Read 5432 times)

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Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2025, 11:52:10 AM »
In his acceptance speech (if that's what it's called), he explicitly mentioned his continuity with Bergoglio.

Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2025, 12:10:05 PM »
Bergs […] appointed 108 of the 133 Cardinals who voted.
Yes, that's 81% of the 133 voting cardinals.
data source: https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/cardinals/?_voting_status=voting&_created_by=francis


Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2025, 12:12:54 PM »
he explicitly mentioned Bergoglio's blessing Rome and the whole world
https://youtu.be/MuZnEkz7fHQ?t=291

Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2025, 12:33:59 PM »
Mario / Tradcast re: AKA Leo XLV

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tradcast/id960667794
Have I been asleep for a few centuries? There's now a Pope Leo The 45th??:(

Re: The Question of the Papal Claimant
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2025, 04:21:57 PM »
Clearly just another AntiPope, except that you define that term as requiring there being a real Pope somewhere.  I'm not sure I agree with that definition.  I think that it's meant to exclude various crackpots with 3 or 4 followers, since that would water down the term, but I believe that anyone with significant following could qualify as an AntiPope.  But that's just semantics.

I don't believe he's a material Pope either ... despite being a sedeprivationist in principle.  I believe that the material continuity has long been servered, though I know you hold that it was severed during Bergoglio's term.
Do you believe the material continuity has been severed because there are no longer any validly consecrated bishops? Do you think Bp. Guérard des Lauriers would believe that his thesis would still be valid under today's conditions?