So for me it's based on the Siri Theory.  I agree in principle with the formal/material distinction (makes perfect sense) ... but just believe that Siri was the rightfully-elected Pope, and that he was forced to step down under duress, which would make his resignation invalid, and thus legitimate election to the office (the material aspect) would have been impeded by Siri's rightful posession of it, until his death in 1989.  By that time, there were no legitimate electors left form the Pius XII era, or if there was 1 or 2 (I doubt it due to the age limit started I think by Montini ... perhaps for this reason?), who knows who they voted for.

Others believe that Bergoglio's election was (materially) invalid due to the collusion (St. Gallen mafia) or alternatively because of his non-resignation (munus vs. ministerium).

Interestingly, just the other day on Taylor Marshall's show / video, someone chatted in (the SuperChat where you pay to get your question answered) about whether any popes in recent memory had been elected but turned down the election.  Marshall casually mentioned that Siri turned it down in 1958.  Oh, really, Taylor?  So, how do you know this?  Siri never said one way or the other, since he said he was bound by the oath.  Consequently, that was clearly an attempt by Marshall to contradict (falsely, with no information) the Siri Theory.

The material election of the pope is merely saying that
a) the duly appointed Cardinals
b) held a valid election (per election rules in place)
c) and a new pope was elected, accepted and rules the vatican govt.

Whether or not every Cardinal is a raging heretic, who has been spiritually nullified by canon law, or by Divine Law, is irrelevant.  God gave to St Peter the power to 'bind and loose'.  Part of the papacy is material/human and part is spiritual.

The Siri thesis proves the point that a material pope is possible.  Thus, even if every cardinal was a formal heretic (and I don't think ALL of them are), you can still have the valid election of a material/governing pope.  He would simply have 0 spiritual authority and be under imposition of a vast array of canon law excommunications (same as the Cardinals).

Ann Barnhardt is reporting that Prevost is 1/4 black (of Creole heritage.)
Of course this doesn't matter unless as a liberal he uses it as some sort of leverage.

Speaking of Barnhardt ...

White smoke. Pray, and no matter what happens, trust in The Lord.

The first valid conclave since my conversion to Catholicism in ARSH 2007 is over.

Pray for the gift of Counsel.

Trust in the Divine Providence which is always perfect.

No matter what, today is a day that The Lord has made. Rejoice and be glad in it.

Tomorrow we Catholics will still be Catholic. The Mass will still be the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary, and Our Lord will be reposed in the Tabernacle.

I'm very tired of her obnoxious/arrogant "ARSH" (as if the Anno Domino that everyone in the Church has used forever wasn't good enough for her ... narcissism, anyone?) ...

but apart from that, I'd love to find out how she thinks this was a "valid conclave", since Bergs (whom she considers an Antipope, without her being a sedeprivationist or even knowing what that term means) appointed 108 of the 133 Cardinals who voted.

Mario / Tradcast re: AKA Leo XLV 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tradcast/id960667794

Bergs […] appointed 108 of the 133 Cardinals who voted.

Yes, that's 81% of the 133 voting cardinals.
data source: https://collegeofcardinalsreport.com/cardinals/?_voting_status=voting&_created_by=francis

Mario / Tradcast re: AKA Leo XLV

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tradcast/id960667794

Have I been asleep for a few centuries? There's now a Pope Leo The 45th??

Do you believe the material continuity has been severed because there are no longer any validly consecrated bishops? Do you think Bp. Guérard des Lauriers would believe that his thesis would still be valid under today's conditions?

So I believe that the Siri Theory is the most plausible (and, quite frankly, only workable) explanation for what's taken place.  So in that case Roncalli was never even materially the Pope, the Cardinals he appointed not even material Cardinals, etc.

Others who don't believe in the Siri Theory believe that Jorge's election was illegitimate, either because of Ratzinger's non-resignation (which would have resulted in an impeded See similar to what would have prevailed in the Siri scenario), or else due to collusion on the part of the electors (St. Gallen mafia).

Invalid Episcopal Consecration would still have permitted these men to remain material Popes, though without valid consecration they could not formally exercise certain aspects of the office that required being a bishop, in particular teaching authority.

I'm not sure what Bishop des Lauriers would say.

Here's that piece of trash Michael Matt defending his support for the latest Antipope, so he can keep his revenue stream going ... and deriding "Traditional Catholics" who were opposed to Ratzinger.  They were right about Ratzinger, unless you're just a shape-shifting dishonest Modernist-heretic grifter shill like Michael Matt.  What a dirtbag this guy is.

https://x.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1920905331305042020

I swear, if I were pope, Michael Matt and Taylor Marshall would be the first two that I would excommunicate by name, even before the Modernists, since the non-membership of the latter in the Church goes without saying.

I'd require them to do public penance, issue apologies, give their ill-gotten gains to the poor, get real jobs, and never again make a public statement for the rest of their lives before readmitting them to communion with the Church.

Next on the list would be some of the neo-SSPX types pushing various flavors of thinly-veiled Old Catholicism.

After that the rabid EENS-haters need to be slapped upside the head and/or beaten with fists.

It's like the hot or cold syndrome mentioned by Our Lord.  I HAVE MUCH MORE RESPECT for an OPEN RABID Modernist like Jorge who just sticks to his guns than these waffling grifting fence-sitting cowardly turds like Matt and Marshall, who need to be vomited forth from the mouth of the Church.  At least Jorge is honest and sincere.