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The Prophecy of the Popes Plus One, Plus Ultra: A Debunking
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:30:43 PM »
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  • With rumors regarding yet another Papal "resignation", the Malachi Prophecy of the Popes comes up. I spent a good chunk of time last year taking a closer look at this prophecy because Francis is quite obviously not Peter the Roman (at least to me).

    At this point, I'm kind of apathetic towards the whole thing. I've found a lot of open questions regarding the writings, so I'm much less trusting in its link to St. Malachy. That being said, I found a method of adjusting the prophecy so that it receives an extension of life, so to speak, but at a cost. I had to link it to Nostradamus and his son Cesar instead.

    Like I said, it's not exactly great news, but the most positive spin I can think of is that perhaps it was to help redeem his pretty bad reputation as some sort of occult astrologer. Certainly his works have become the habitation of new age yahoos and dime a dozen false prophets for a very long time. He did get by on the technicality that the Church hadn't officially condemned what he was doing yet and as far as I know he died within the Church. The negative here is that all who originally helped propagate this prophecy lied about the true author, and that author was a notorious astrologer.

    If had to table my own objections just to see how far I could take it using my own admittedly "shoehorn" method. Feel free to tell me what you think good or bad, but I think I found a lot more connections to the Popes previous to Pius IX than could be found previously. The added bonus is that it gives us some options in regards to the Benedict and Francis, plus room for more Popes afterwards.

    Take it or leave it, but I think you might just find some of the little details associated with these lesser known Popes interesting. I know I learned something.

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    The Prophecy of the Popes Plus One, Plus Ultra: A Debunking and Partial Rebunking.

    ...or Obscure Factoids About the Popes.

    ...or Catholic Miscellanea I Found Somewhat Interesting.
     
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    Exploring Inconsistencies

    We can safely table all discussions about whether VII Popes need to be considered real or not: Malachy listed antipopes along with valid Popes. With the exception of two major ones strangely enough...

    Listed as they appeared in the prophecy:
     6. Victor IV, Antipope (1159–1164)  Ottaviano Monticello
     7. Callixtus III, Antipope (1168–1178)  Giovanni di Strumi
     8. Paschal III, Antipope (1164–1168)    Guido di Crema
     36. Nicholas V, Antipope (1328–1330)  Pietro Rainalducci di Corvaro
     42. Clement VII, Antipope (1378–1394)  Robert, Count of Geneva
     43. Benedict XIII, Antipope (1394–1423) Peter de Luna  
     44. Clement VIII, Antipope (1423–1429)  Gil Sanchez Muñoz
     49. Alexander V, Antipope (1409–1410)  Petros Philarges
     50. John XXIII, Antipope (1410–1415)  Baldassarre Cossa
     53. Felix V, Antipope (1439–1449)  Amadeus VIII, Duke of Savoy

    Not listed: Innocent III (1179-1180) and Benedict XIV (1425-1429)

    This got me wondering about the significance of the omission. What was it about them that would have kept them off the list? Although they weren't the biggest players in history, they still had more substance and significance than a Michael Bawden. Maybe Malachy thought so little of them as not to include him, but maybe there was another reason.

    Maybe Malachy wasn't "Malachy" at all.

    The prepublication titles are all made to line up very neatly all the way up until 1590. Afterwards it seemed to fall apart until Pope Leo XIII breathed new life into the prophecy with a star in his coat of arms that matched up with "light in the sky".  This would seem to be a clear cut case of postdiction. The explanations given for these mottos are pretty straightforward and don't leave alot of room for interpretation.

    Wikipedia has this tidbit:

    "René Thibaut divides the table at a different point, between the 71st and 72nd motto, asserting that there is a change in style at this point. He uses this distinction to put forward the view that the first 71 mottos are post-dated forgeries, while the remainder are genuine. Hildebrand Troll echoes this view, noting that mottos 72-112 use a symbolic language related to the character of the pope and his papacy, in contrast to the more literal mottos for earlier popes."

    So I took a closer look at number 72, Pope Gregory XIII, and found that his motto is something of a hybrid. It actually refers to two crests at the same time. On one end it refers to the "Half body" or "half dragon" in his own coat of arms, while on the other "of the balls" refers to the Medici family's heraldry. The 6 balls (5 red, one containing three fleur-de-lis) show up for all Medici Popes. We are told by the provided explanation that it was because Pope Pius IV made him a cardinal.

    On one hand, this was a departure from the normal pre-published Papal motto pattern, but on the other hand it had a tidy explanation like the earlier ones. A lead was a lead, though. At least it was a start!

    I looked at the range of years spanning St. Pius V's reign from 1566 to 1572. Nothing stood out at first, but during my research I found Nostradamus' name bandied about a few times in relation to the Malachy prophecies. Some went so far as to claim he actually used St. Malachy as a cover. Both Malachy and Nostradamus seem to rival each other in the vague prophecy shoehorn department. What was interesting about Nostradamus was that while he didn't live to see the prophecies published he did manage to live 6 months into St. Pius V's pontificate in 1566. St. Pius was also the 71st Pope listed in the prophecies, just before the style of the mottos changed according to René Thibaut and Hildebrand Troll. 72 is a number closely associated with Our Lady who, according to tradition, died at 72 years. "Nostradamus" literally means "Our Lady." If any more antipopes had been listed, those details wouldn't have dovetailed.

    Could it have been edited extensively by someone close to Nostradamus? Eh, why not? His son Cesar was old enough to be aware of his father's writings before he died...  could old pater Nostra have let him in on the project? At 1590, Cesar was 37. It very well could have been his own work from start to finish! Is all of this important? No. The whole subject is a longshot of longshots. Is is pertinent and something to keep in mind when looking at these pre/postdictions? I think so.  

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    The Overlap Method

    Now, there were four Medici Popes: Leo X, Clement VII, Pius IV and Leo XI. Working off a hunch, I took Gregory XIII and lined him up with the other Popes' mottoes to see if it positively affected any of the post-publication prophecies. I found the best place for a fold over at number 65, Pope Clement VII. Considering that this would extend the prophecy out by seven more past Francistein, I couldn't resist. Another benefit of this readjustment is the synchronicity that emerges toward the end with the Great Monarch/Angelic Pope prophecies and to what has been surmised of the Third Secret of Fatima.

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    Disclaimer

    The following is the result of my own internet research. It's amateur hour! Feel free to disregard all of it.

    Disclaimer: Everyone is free to disagree with me here. These prophecies never were officially approved by the Pope even when taken under face value as being authored by St. Malachy. Speculation for speculation's sake. I do reserve the right to be optimistic about a Catholic restoration though.

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    Rating System

    0 stars: No connection found.
     A straight-up miss.
    1 star:  Stretching metaphors
     Hardly better than no connection at all. Failing with effort.
    2 stars: Broadly Applicable
     Some mottos are so general it could apply to any number of Popes at once. It's not a miss, but it's certainly not compelling.
    3 stars: Specific Connections
     Wordplay or details that happen to fit nicely for one Pope and wouldn't easily work for others. I would place most of the pre-published Popes on this level.
    4 stars: Poetic Prescience
     A motto that really captures the character of the pontificate as a whole.

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    Groupings

    Group 1: The "overlapped" Popes from 65 to 71. These prophecies took place before publication and before the death of Nostradamus. For all intents and purposes of this exercise, their mottos have been given over to Groups 2 and 3 to jumpstart the prophecy.

    Group 2: Popes 72-74. The post-Trent/pre-publication era. The first four Popes to have reigned both after the death of Nostradamus and the Council of Trent but before the prophecies were published. These guys already have mottos with a built-in interpretation and so for me they fall firmly within the postdiction category. Aside from Gregory XIII, I didn't spend as much time trying to line up the other two. I've listed them anyway, in case anyone else can provide more information on what might make mottos from 66 and 67 match up with Sixtus V and Urban VII respectively.

    Group 3: Popes 75-78. The post-Trent/post-publication era. All Popes from Gregory XIV to Leo XI. The first real test of this adjustment.

    Group 4: Popes 79-92. The Galileo era. All Popes from Paul V to Benedict XIV.

    Group 5: Popes 93-100. The Industrial Revolution Era. All Popes from Clement XIII to Gregory XVI. This group was the one I had the most difficulty linking the mottoes with anything significant.

    Group 6: Popes 101-107. The Vatican I era. All Popes from Pius IX to Pius XII.

    Group 7: Popes 108-111/112. Vatican II era. Pope John XXIII to Pope Benedict. Could Benedict also be the Fatima Pope at some point? Probably not!

    Anomaly 1: Pope 112. Pope Francis of Fatima or the Destroyer predicted by St. Francis?  

    Group 8: Popes 112/113-118. They haven't been elected yet, no ratings given.

    Anomaly 2: The final Pope number 119 or my interpretation: The Great Catholic Monarch, Peter the Roman. Possible reign from Pope 113 to 118.

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    Group 2: The Post-Trent/pre-publication Era

    72 (65) "Flos pilei aegri" "Flower of the sick man's pill"
     Gregory III (1572–1585) Both describes the Fleur-de-lis on the Medici crest and the fruit of Ugo Boncampagni's Medici-derived cardinalate in the form of his pontificate. *** stars.

    73 (66) "Hiacinthus medicoru" "Hyacinth of the physicians"
     Sixtus V (1585–1590) No stars.

    74 (67) "De corona montana" "From the mountainous crown"
     Urban VII (1590) No stars.

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    Group 3: The Post-Trent/post-publication Era

    75 (68) "Frumentum Flocidum" "Trifling Grain" "Bread-corn suddenly perishing."
     Gregory XIV (1590-1591) Niccolo Sfondrati only ruled 10 months, campaigned against Henry Navarre as a Huguenot. Plague and famine ravaged Rome during Gregory's pontificate. **** stars.

    76 (69) "De Fide Petri" "From Peter's Faith"
     Innocent IX (1591) Giovanni Antonio Facchinetti. Could be applied to any Pope.** stars.

    77 (70) "Esculapii Pharmacuм" "Aesculapius' Medicine" "The Medicine of the Physician."
     Clement VIII (1592–1605) Ippolito Aldobrandini. Pope during Henry IV of France's submission to the Church. Synod of Brest brought many Ruthenians back to the Faith. ** stars.

    78 (71) "Angelus Nemorosus" "Angel Of The Grove"
     Leo XI (1605) Alessandro Ottaviano de' Medici. One of the symbols for the Medicis was the orange grove. Also called "Papa Lampo" (Lightning Pope) because of the short duration of his pontificate, which recalls John Paul I in length.*** stars.

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    Group 4: The Galileo Era

    79 (72) "Medium corpus Pilarum" "Half Body Of The Balls" or "Body in the Midst of Balls" or "A middle Body of Balls."
     Paul V (1605-1621) Camillo Borghese. Supporter of the Medicis "whose coat of arms contains pills or balls" and also had a "half body" dragon on his coat of arms. Major opponent of the Venetians. Barred Galileo from teachings of Copernicus. A body in the midst of balls might be a poetic way of describing the Solar System. **** stars.

    80 (73) "Axis In Medietate Signi" "Axle In The Midst Of A Sign" "The Axle-tree in the Midst of a Sign."
     Gregory XV (1621-1623) Alessandro Ludovisio or Ludovisi. Instituted the  Sacred Congregation de Propaganda Fide, whose seal contains a cross on top of a depiction of the globe. A literal Christian "Axis Mundi". *** stars.

    81 (74) "De Rore Coeli" "From The Dew Of The Sky" "From Heaven's Dew."
     Urban VIII (1623-1644) Maffeo Barberini. His coat of arms contains three honey bees. He sentenced Galileo to lifetime house arrest for his astronomic heliocentrism. *** stars.

    82 (75) "Ex Antiquitate Urbis" "Of The Antiquity Of The City" "The Old City" "From a City of Antiquity"
     Innocent X (1644-1655) Giovanni Battista Pamphilj. Born in Rome, expanded Papal temporal authority. ** stars.

    83 (76) "Pia Civitas In Bello" "Pious Citizens In War" "Pious City In War" "A City pious in War."
     Alexander VII (1655-1667)  Fabio Chigi. Was made Cardinal-Priest of Santa Maria del Popolo (Saint Maria of the People) 4 years after the 30 years War ended in 1652. Also known as the greatest urban planner of the Popes. Renovated the Porta del Popolo, the Piazza del Popolo and Santa Maria del Popolo. *** stars.

    84 (77) "Crux Romulea" "Cross of Romulus" "The Roman Cross."
     Clement IX (1667-1669) Giulio Rospigliosi. At the end of October 1669 Clement IX fell ill after receiving news that the Venetian fortress of Candia in Crete had surrendered to the Turks. ** stars.

    85 (78) "Undosus Vir" "Wavy Man"
     Clement X (1670-1676) Emilio Bonaventura Altieri. As Cardinal, was in charge of the safety of Ravenna against the floods of the river Po. Had gout in his later years. *** stars.

    86 (79) "Gens Perversa" "Wicked Race" "A Perverse People"
     Innocent XI (1676-1689) Benedetto Odescalchi. Helped keep the Turks at bay through the "Holy League". Was part of a banking family who with his brother have been implicated in possible dealings with William of Orange. Although Innocent would go on to make an edict against Jєωιѕн money-lending in Rome, it would not be implemented. ** stars.

    87 (80) "In Tribulatione Pacis" "In The Trouble Of Peace" "In the Work of Peace"
     Alexander VIII (1689-1691), Pietro Vito Ottoboni. condemned Gallicanism, arranged for a "peace" between Louis XIV's France during the ongoing Morean War. ** stars.

    88 (81) "Lilum et Rosa" "Lily and Rose"
     Innocent XII (1691-1700) Antonio Pignatelli. Was the first pope in a long time to be well-disposed towards the french. Gave a 20-pound (eleven lbs pure gold) "Golden Rose" to future Empress Wilhelmina Amalia in 1699. Persuaded Louis XIV to drop the Declaration of the Clergy of France in 1693. It's a stretch. * star.

    89 (82) "Jucunditas Crucis" "Delight Of The Cross" "The Joy of the Cross"
     Clement XI (1700-1724) Giovanni Francesco Albani. Owned and prayed with a relic of the True Cross. **** stars.

    90 (83) "Montium Custos" "Guard Of The Mountains" "The Keeper of the Mountains"
     Innocent XIII (1721-1724)  Michelangelo dei Conti. Innocent XIII was born at the Palazzo Conti in Poli, Italy. The city sits on a mountainside in the Monti Prenestini region east of Rome. *** stars.

    91 (84) "Sydus Olorum" "Star Of The Swans" "The Constellation of Swans"
     Benedict XIII (1724-1730)  Pietro Francesco Orsini. The Cygnus Constellation begins to be seen in the evenings during May, which is when Orsini was elected Pope (May 29, 1724). His coronation was on June 4. *** stars.

    92 (85) "De Flumine Magno" "From A Great River"
     Clement XII (1730-1740) Lorenzo Corsini. Born in Florence where the Arno River passes through. ** stars.

     93 (86) "Bellua Infatiabilis" "Insatiable Beast"
     Benedict XIV" (1740-1758) Prospero Lorenzo Lambertini. One of the more obese Popes in history, he had a voracious intellect to match the physical. He has been called the greatest scholar of the Popes. He was the first Pope to permit Galileo's teachings to be published. Very popular while alive, perhaps a little bit too much. Even Voltaire heaped praises on him. ** stars.

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    Group 5: The Industrial Revolution Era.

    94 (87) "Poenitentia Gloriosa" "Glorious Penitence"
     Clement XIII (1758-1769) Carlo della Torre di Rezzonico. Appetente Sacro (On the Spiritual Advantages of Fasting).* star.  

    95 (88) "Rastrum In Porta" "Rake In The Door" "A Rake in the Gate"
     Clement XIV (1769-1774)  Giovanni Vincenzo Antonio Ganganelli. Suppressor of the Jesuits. * star.

    96 (89) "Flores circundati" "Surrounded Flowers" "Flowers Encompassing"
     Pius VI (1775-1799) Giovanni Angelo Braschi. The French revolution occured under his pontificate. His Coat of Arms contained a hard wind blowing down on a patch of lillies. His Motto was Floret in domo domini (it blossoms in the house of God). *** stars.

    97 (90) "De Bona Religione" "From Good Religion"
     Pius VII (1800-1823) A wordplay on Pious? ** stars.

    98 (91) "Miles In Bello" "Soldier In War"
     Leo XII {1823-1829) Annibale Francesco Clemente Melchiore Girolamo Nicola Sermattei della Genga. Allegedly had affairs as a monsignor. Madame Pfiffer was the wife of a Swiss Guardsman. No stars.

     99 (92)  "Columna Excelsa" "Lofty Column"
     Pius VIII (1829-1830) Coat of Arms contains a lion holding up a castle tower. *** stars.

    100 (93)  "Animale Rurale" "Country Animal"
     Gregory XVI (1831-1846) Bartolomeo Alberto Cappellari. He wasn't so much against the modernization of Italy as he couldn't really afford to build railroads. Stuck with animal transortation? No stars.

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    Group 6: Vatican I Era

    101 (94) "Rosa Umbriae" "Rose of Umbria"
     Pius IX (1846-1878) Pio Nono was the last Pope to have control of the Papal States and therefore Umbria. **** stars.

    102 (95) "Ursus Velox" "Swift Bear"
     Leo XIII (1878-1903) The bear is a national symbol of Russia. The Emancipation of Labour introduced Marxism to Russia in 1883. Within just twenty years, the Social-Democratic movement would come to the forefront of Russian politics with the Bolshevik party being founded the month after Pope Leo's death. *** stars.  

    103 (96) "Peregrin Apostolic" "Apostolic Pilgrim"
     Pope St. Pius X (1903-1914) Giuseppi Sarto walked 6 km (almost 4 miles) each way to and from school as a child. *** stars.

    104 (97) "Aquila rapax" "Rapacious Eagle"
     Benedict XV (1914-1922) Germany's coat of arms features an eagle. Their desire to enter into a new pre-emminence in Europe was one of the reasons they entered into the first World War which had just begun as Benedict became Pope. **** stars.

    105 (98) "Canis & Coluber" "Dog and Adder"
     Pius XI (1922-1939) There is a folktale that made its rounds throughout medieval Europe and perhaps found it's greatest prominence in France, particularly when these prophecies were published. The story goes like this: A man or a knight has just had a child born to him and he has his dog guard the infant while he is away hunting. He goes out one day and a snake comes up to the baby intent on eating it. The dog, in this case called "Guinefort", intercepts the intruder and kills the snake after a violent struggle. When his owner first comes upon him (or nurse), he sees the blood on the Guinefort's snout, the cradle overturned and thinks he must have attacked his child and rashly kills him on the spot before hearing his baby crying nearby and discovering the mangled snake. He sets a shrine up and peasants actually start praying to this "saint" St Guinefort. It became quite a scandal because some women would actually abandon their newborn children to be looked after by Guinefort. In some areas as recently as the 1960s this belief held sway.

    Strange as this tale and it's following are, it does resemble Pius XI's treatment of the Cristeros and the Action Francaise during his pontificate. By abandoning his support of them, he effectively killed the guardians of tradition who had been fighting off the snake of revolution. **** stars.

    106 (99) Pope Pius XII "Vir Religiosus"   "Religious Man"
     Pius XII (1939-1958) "Pius" is the latin word that "pious" is derived from and it literally means "devoutly religious." It also works in the unadjusted list as it lines up with Pope Pius VIII. ** stars.

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    Group 7: Vatican II Era

    107 (100) Pope John XXIII "De balneis Ethruriae" "From the Baths of Tuscany"
     John XXIII (1958-1963) When Antipope John XXIII fell into hot water with King Ladislaus, he was sheltered by the Medicis in Florence, which is the biggest city in Tuscany. He would later be buried in the same city with a grand tomb to commemorate it. This only refers to the Papal name as Angelo Roncalli has no special connection to Tuscany that I can find. It matches but in name only. ** stars.

    108 (101) "Crux de Cruce"  "Cross from Cross"
     Paul VI (1963-1978) The Novus Ordo Missae came out of the reforms of Vatican II Council. Both have been terrible crosses for the Church. Paul VI was also the Pope who commissioned the infamously disfigured "Bent Cross" crucifix from Lello Scorzelli. It is fixed on top of the pastoral staff which has become symbolic of the post-concilliar era and carried by each Vat II pope at least once since 1965. John Paul II was hardly seen without it. **** stars.

    109 (102) "Lumen in Coelo"  "Light in Heaven"
     John Paul I (1978) Luciani is a variant of Lucian or Lucius meaning "light."
     Cardinal Carlo Confalonieri said at the Pope's funeral mass: "He passed as a meteor which unexpectedly lights up the heavens and then disappears, leaving us amazed and astonished." *** stars.

    110 (103) "Ignis Ardens" "Ardent Flame"
     John Paul II (1978-2005) Karol Wojtiwa had a very passionate and emotional personality that attracted a huge global following like moths to flame. If Francis had one tenth of this Pope's charisma, I have little doubt last year's synod would have gone without a hitch.

    A world famous photograph was taken by Gregorz Lukasik of a bonfire in Poland near John Paul's hometown exactly 2 years after his death and it shows a striking resemblance to the Pope in a fiery silhouette. *** stars.

    111 (104) Pope Benedict XVI "Religio Depopulata" "Religion Destroyed"
     Pope Benedict XVI (2005-2013) Although this might be even more fitting had it fallen under Pope Francis, Benedict's "good cop" conservative routine has been exposed for what it is by silently standing by while "bad cop" Frank does his dirty work. Now would be a good time to bring the courage if he's being held against his will. **** stars.

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    Anomaly 1

    Pope Francis (2013-201?). Could he be part of "Religion destroyed", "Intrepid Faith" or neither? As with all the rest of this, it's open to a ton of interpretation. From all the noise the Kirchensteuer is making these days, I wouldn't be surprised if we had a formal Antipope come from one of their number. When I say formal, I mean in contrast to a good Pope who won't back down or resign. Cardinal Marx would make a perfect Russia-backed Antipope.  

    Merlin (6th century) ~
     There will come a German Anti-Pope. Italy and Germany will be sorely troubled. A French King will restore the true Pope

    A French King= The Great Monarch?
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    Group 8: Future Popes?

    112 (105) "Fides intrepida" "Intrepid Faith" "Fearless Faith"
     Intrepid indicates fearlessness, which the Fatima Pope will undoubtably need loads of in order to carry out the long-delayed and likely suppressed consecration of Russia.

    Sidenote: The only way I see Francis or Benedict qualifying for this motto would be for a major conversion to take place. Anything less than bold moves, brave speech and orthodox Catholicism won't do. If Benedict doubles up in this respect, I'd have no problem seeing Francis as an Antipope footnote. Hoping to see Francis make a turnaround is about as likely as seeing him grow a new lung... at least then he might actually say the Nicene Creed once in a while! Miracles can happen, but this might be stretching it.    

    113 (106) "Pastor Angelicus" "Angelic Shepherd"  
     Strong similarity to the "Angelic Pope" mentioned throughout Catholic prophecy. The first Pope of the Triumph of the Immaculate  Heart?

    114 (107) "Pastor & Nauta" "Shepherd and Sailor"
     Ron Conte has latched onto 2038 for the final victory and crowning of the Great Monarch deriving in part from a prophecy by which states:

    The Pope will cross the sea in a year when the Feast of St. George (April 23rd) falls on Good Friday, and St. Mark’s feast (April 25th) falls on Easter Sunday, and the feast of St. Anthony (June 13th) falls on Pentecost and the feast of St. John the Baptist (June 24th) falls on Corpus Christi.”
     (Fr. Gerald Culleton, The Prophets and Our Times, p. 149-150.) Alleged to have been uttered by Werdin d'Otrante, 13th century.

    "When the Feast of St. Mark shall fall on Easter, the Feast of St. Anthony on Pentecost, and that of St. John on Corpus Christi, the whole world shall cry 'Woe'"-St. Bridget of Sweden (not verified).
     
    115 (108) "Flos florum" "Flower Of Flowers"

    116 (109) "De Medietate Lunae" "Of The Half Moon"

    117 (110) "De Labore Solis" "From The Labour Of The Sun / Of The Eclipse Of The Sun"

    118 (111) "Gloria Olivae" "Glory of the olive"

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    Anomaly 2: Peter the Roman

    "In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit. Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus, quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & judex tremendus judicabit populum suum. Finis."

    "In the final(or extreme) persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit. Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End."

    Does not mention he will sit on the throne of Peter, only that he will "sit".

    There's alot of prophecy on The Last Emperor, the Great Catholic Monarch, but one of his functions is as a Katechon or Restrainer (The one who restraineth from 2 Thessalonians Chap 2) of the final Antichrist. My own interpretation is that his rule will extend through to last Pope or right up to the "Glory of the Olive."

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    So that's it guys. If you made it this far, I'm impressed. Like I said, this is all speculation and probably of the idle kind. Don't say I didn't warn you!

     :jester:
    Fortuna finem habet.