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Offline JMartyr

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The prelate who will help restore the Church
« on: July 23, 2011, 12:14:42 PM »
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  • In the message from Our Lady to Mother Mary Anne of Jesus ,   http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Archbishop_Lefebvre_and_the_Vatican/Epilogue.htm , she speaks of a prelate who will act as  "a counterweight  to the lukewarmness of souls consecrated to the priesthood and in religion" and will  " restore the spirit of His priests." ABL referred to this apparition during the '88 consecrations and  humbly said that he was not saying it was talking about him. TIA thinks this prelate has yet to come: http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/F045_Lefevbre.html . I found it to be quite interesting that Mary Anne of Jesus died on January 16th ,the very feast day of St. Marcellus,  Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's namesake. [ Can somebody verify this? There is a Pope Macellus and a Pope Marcellinus. I think from reading ABL's biography, that he was named after the former and not the latter.]


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    « Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 02:02:56 PM »
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  • I think the prophecy does refer to Abp. Lefebvre.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 03:05:33 PM »
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  • I thought that the Angelic Shepherd will restore the Church with the assistance of the Great Monarch.  So far nobody knows who they are.
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus

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    « Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 04:29:10 PM »
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  • I believe it will be someone who is living today!
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    « Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 04:34:13 PM »
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  • According to one of the Prophecies I've read and assuming it is correct the next possible time for the Great Monarch to arrive to save us would be around the 2030's. I'd have to run to my car to grab that book to get the exact date and quotes though cuz I have it in there.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 04:37:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    I think the prophecy does refer to Abp. Lefebvre.


    I wish someone could explain to me something I've always wondered:

    I've read and verified Abp LeFebvre signed the docuмents of VII. If he had such a beef with them (and he did) why'd he sign on?

    That's always baffled me...

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    « Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 05:43:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: LordPhan
    According to one of the Prophecies I've read and assuming it is correct the next possible time for the Great Monarch to arrive to save us would be around the 2030's. I'd have to run to my car to grab that book to get the exact date and quotes though cuz I have it in there.


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    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 06:09:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: LordPhan
    According to one of the Prophecies I've read and assuming it is correct the next possible time for the Great Monarch to arrive to save us would be around the 2030's.


    That idea has to do with the alignment of certain feasts, but I think it is a misreading of the prophecy.

    IMO, there is no way (humanly speaking) that things will hold until 2030 unless something changes (big time) for the good very, very soon.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 06:17:38 PM »
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    ABL referred to this apparition during the '88 consecrations and  humbly said that he was not saying it was talking about him.


    To say anything else would be absurd, unless he also made the sun stand still or brought a dead man back to life.  IOW, what else COULD he say?  I am not saying anything BAD about him, just that his comment is not necessarily a proof of humility, if you will.

    I am not familiar with the details of this prophecy, so if the following remark is, therefore, off base, c'est la vie...

    It is pretty clear that, 45 years after the close of V2, NOTHING has been restored, in any meaningful sense of the word.  We are all struggling to survive in an arid, post-apocalyptic, ecclesiastical wasteland...and ABL (+RIP+) has been dead for 20 years, so it makes sense to say, "If THIS is the great 'restoration', I'm a monkey's uncle..."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 06:18:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
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    I think the prophecy does refer to Abp. Lefebvre.


    I wish someone could explain to me something I've always wondered:

    I've read and verified Abp LeFebvre signed the docuмents of VII. If he had such a beef with them (and he did) why'd he sign on?

    That's always baffled me...
    I have always wondered this as well. I know from reading " I accuse The Council", he made many interventions during Vatican II against the progressive wind blowing through it. Maybe he thought the Pope would rectify the situation.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 06:23:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    ABL referred to this apparition during the '88 consecrations and  humbly said that he was not saying it was talking about him.


    To say anything else would be absurd, unless he also made the sun stand still or brought a dead man back to life.  IOW, what else COULD he say?

    I am not familiar with the details of this prophecy, so if the following remark is, therefore, off base, c'est la vie...

    It is pretty clear that, 45 years after the close of V2, NOTHING has been restored, in any meaningful sense of the word.  We are all struggling to survive in an arid, post-apocalyptic, ecclesiastical wasteland...and ABL (+RIP+) has been dead for 20 years, so it makes sense to say, "If THIS is the great 'restoration', I'm a monkey's uncle..."
    Where does the message say "great restoration"......  that He have pity on His ministers and that He put an end to such fatal times, by sending to His Church the prelate who will restore the spirit of His priests.

    Upon this my beloved son, whom my divine Son and I love with a love of predilection, we shall heap many gifts—of humility of heart, of docility to varying inspirations, of strength to defend the rights of the Church and of a heart with which he will, like a new Christ, take possession of the mightiest of men as of the lowliest, without scorning the least fortunate amongst them. With a wholly divine gentleness he will lead consecrated souls to the service of God in religious houses without making the Lord’s yoke weigh heavy upon them. He will hold in his hand the scales of the sanctuary for everything to be done in orderly fashion for God to be glorified. This prelate and father will act as a counterweight to the lukewarmness of souls consecrated in the priesthood and in religion.



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    « Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 06:47:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: JMartyr
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    I am not familiar with the details of this prophecy, so if the following remark is, therefore, off base, c'est la vie...
    Where does the message say "great restoration"......


    I did not say it does.

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    that He have pity on His ministers and that He put an end to such fatal times, by sending to His Church the prelate who will restore the spirit of His priests.


    Well, it is debatable whether or not such a restoration has, in fact, occurred.  Have the "fatal times" ENDED?  Uh, not by a LONG shot...and ABL has been dead for 20 years.

    What is more, Bp Fellay is busy hanging Bp W out to dry in order to placate the Judaics, etc.  How's that for a 'restored spirit'?
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    « Reply #12 on: July 23, 2011, 07:06:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    I am not familiar with the details of this prophecy, so if the following remark is, therefore, off base, c'est la vie...
    Where does the message say "great restoration"......


    I did not say it does.

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    that He have pity on His ministers and that He put an end to such fatal times, by sending to His Church the prelate who will restore the spirit of His priests.


    Well, it is debatable whether or not such a restoration has, in fact, occurred.  Have the "fatal times" ENDED?  Uh, not by a LONG shot...and ABL has been dead for 20 years.

    What is more, Bp Fellay is busy hanging Bp W out to dry in order to placate the Judaics, etc.  How's that for a 'restored spirit'?


    I wondered that also! That the SSPX is hanging +W out to dry for political incorrectness reeks of the NO Church.

    And ABL being deceased probably means he is not the prelate in question.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 23, 2011, 07:41:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    And ABL being deceased probably means he is not the prelate in question.


    Bingo was his name-o...

    ABL played an unquestionably-notable role and credit must be given where it is due, but he did nothing like what seems to be described in the passage in question.  Such glorious things lie ahead, but hopefully not TOO far ahead  :wink:
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    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2011, 08:33:26 PM »
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  • First meaning: at the end of the 19th and for a large part of the 20th, various heresies will flourish on this earth which will have become a free republic. The precious light of the Faith will go out in souls because of the almost total moral corruption: in those times there will be great physical and moral calamities, in private and in public. The little number of souls keeping the Faith and practicing the virtues will undergo cruel and unspeakable suffering; through their long, drawn out martyrdom many of them will go to their death because of the violence of their sufferings, and those will count as martyrs who gave their lives for Church or for country. To escape from being enslaved by these heresies will call for great strength of will, constancy, courage and great trust in God, all of which are gifts from the merciful love of my Divine Son to those He will have chosen for the work of restoration. To put to the trial the faith and trust of these just souls, there will come moments when everything seems lost and paralyzed, and [/b]just then comes the happy BEGINNING OF THE COMPLETE RESTORATION