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Offline Gray2023

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Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
« Reply #120 on: December 13, 2023, 07:58:58 AM »
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  • Thank you Gray. They know that it is not I who attack first. Honesty is not what they practice. Evidently, the ends justify any means necessary to convert everyone to SVism.

    I defend my right to not be a sedevacantist, which is offensive to some here. I've said many times that I don't have a problem with anyone holding the sedevacantist position, but when they try to force it on others, I see that as a problem.

    You are correct to say that we should stop all this fighting. But when one side believes it has to force its views on everyone else, that's a problem. Not all sedevacantists do this of course.
    Meg,  I know in charity I defended you, but I also see that you say some very harsh things.  I don't think people are trying to make you a sedevacantist.  Aren't you trying to force your beliefs on others?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #121 on: December 13, 2023, 07:59:23 AM »
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    Gray, it seems like you came onto this forum with finger pointed and an ax to grind. On one hand you say you are sad and sensitive to the strife in the trad community, yet after reading your posts over the past week they seem to have a rather bossy and aggressive tone. Am I understanding this wrong?

    Several good men have offered you an explanation about the strife and what it will take to fix it, which is a good pope. The fact is, the disagreements and infighting is sadly a part of the cross we must bare. You don’t seem to want to accept this answer. Your tears and mourning are only meritorious as far as your resignation and trust in God’s care for you and others goes.  Maybe I have/am overstepping my bounds but I think you have let this topic overcome you. It is not in your control and the more you strive to make it so the more miserable you will become. I think you have internalized this too much. I know you are melancholic. I think melancholic need to be extra careful about this.

    Do I get frustrated at the bickering and mud slinging that goes on from time to time here? Yes. But we are all called to look at our own interior actions and disposition. I’m not sure yours is any healthier than those who you accuse of being rash and unkind.

    Please, I mean this in the best way possible. I’m not trying to attack you. Just stating my observations. God bless you!
    Well said.  I think you may have helped put into words what I couldn't.  I think the bolded is the main issue.


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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #122 on: December 13, 2023, 08:12:46 AM »
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    Gray, it seems like you came onto this forum with finger pointed and an ax to grind. On one hand you say you are sad and sensitive to the strife in the trad community, yet after reading your posts over the past week they seem to have a rather bossy and aggressive tone. Am I understanding this wrong?

    Several good men have offered you an explanation about the strife and what it will take to fix it, which is a good pope. The fact is, the disagreements and infighting is sadly a part of the cross we must bare. You don’t seem to want to accept this answer. Your tears and mourning are only meritorious as far as your resignation and trust in God’s care for you and others goes.  Maybe I have/am overstepping my bounds but I think you have let this topic overcome you. It is not in your control and the more you strive to make it so the more miserable you will become. I think you have internalized this too much. I know you are melancholic. I think melancholic need to be extra careful about this.

    Do I get frustrated at the bickering and mud slinging that goes on from time to time here? Yes. But we are all called to look at our own interior actions and disposition. I’m not sure yours is any healthier than those who you accuse of being rash and unkind.

    Please, I mean this in the best way possible. I’m not trying to attack you. Just stating my observations. God bless you!
    Yes Jen.  I am tired of the fighting.  I am also tired of being quiet.  This forum allows me to be loud.  I see that from all of the church's history men keep trying to change things for their own agenda (Protestants like Henry VIII, Martin Luther, The Westley Brothers and now Catholism is being split apart.)  It is really up to men to start doing a different thing.

    I just think in the meantime we can do the best we can with ourselves.  We can't just sit back and wait for a good Pope, because right now that good Pope will only look good to some.  

    I don't feel attacked and I thank you for observations.  May God bless you and keep you.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #123 on: December 13, 2023, 08:34:47 AM »
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  • Yes Jen.  I am tired of the fighting.  I am also tired of being quiet.  This forum allows me to be loud. 
    I beg you turn from being loud. It is not the answer. You will do more harm than good to your soul and the souls of your children, especially daughters. As mothers, let’s model to our children love and trust in Our Lord, and imitate his blessed mother. In her we see humble obedience and silent suffering. She is our model. She shows us how it is done. Why would we as women give up our unique and powerful opportunity to be the salve of this world be being loud and obstinate? You won’t help by being loud, you will only succeed in driving a greater wedge between men and women. The world has had its fill of loud women.

    Having said that, this is the last I will say on this subject. I invite you to the women’s sub forum to talk about child rearing, recipes, homemaking, gardening and all of the stuff that is within our realm. It is a great place to visit and find encouragement! 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #124 on: December 13, 2023, 08:40:20 AM »
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  • It has been pointed out several times by long term members who see the signs that this person is a troll. (I think only you and SeanJohnson have said that.  Who were the others?  She needs to be banned for the good of the forum because she has ill will towards the members and hasn't posted a single useful thing. (I do not have ill will toward anyone)  It's clear that she isn't a traditional Catholic in the manner she claims. (How is this clear?) She hasn't made a single reference to her supposed 5 children...does she have any? (Yes 5 boys, (7, 11, 13, 16, 18) and I have referenced the one who is trying to find a Seminary) She doesn't post in the Women's forum on the feminine topics of homemaking, child rearing, cooking, etc. (These things don't interest me much and I have no girls to teach.) She hates her husband and all men in general, especially the clergy. (I don't hate anyone.  I just think men keep passing the buck and no one is calling them out on it)  She worships the witchcraft practicing feminist Taylor Swift (That is silly, I just don't like people making serious accusations without proof and media isn't good proof because it is good at manipulating people to feel certain things) and believes all marriage problems are caused by men not listening to womens "feelings". (It takes two to break up a marriage) Anyone who calls out her hypocrisy is immediately attacked as a "hater" and lacking "humility". (A lot of people do lack humility, people infer why I made a post, usually the post is to get a conversation started, to get a feel for the room per se.  Many times people think that i am looking for personal answers for myself.  I am not.  I have just seen too many bad things happen to good Catholic families) Common marxist accusations.

    Someone claims to know her in real life.  And what of it?  Who is that individual?  Many of us have been here for a decade or more and don't know either of you.  I have blocked them so I don't have to be bothered with their feminist claptrap.  (I do apologize for making you so mad.  I tried sending you some private apology messages.)

    We should all be wary of new members who carpet bomb the threads with non-Catholic ideas and sow seeds of chaos and discontent.  I wonder if FBI infiltraitors are on the forum.  We know they are grooming the SSPX chapels in Virginia.
    Wow!  When I read your posts to people who know me, they laugh because you have me pegged all wrong.  What do you want me to say to you to prove that I am not a troll?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #125 on: December 13, 2023, 08:49:27 AM »
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  • I beg you turn from being loud. It is not the answer. You will do more harm than good to your soul and the souls of your children, especially daughters. As mothers, let’s model to our children love and trust in Our Lord, and imitate his blessed mother. In her we see humble obedience and silent suffering. She is our model. She shows us how it is done. Why would we as women give up our unique and powerful opportunity to be the salve of this world be being loud and obstinate? You won’t help by being loud, you will only succeed in driving a greater wedge between men and women. The world has had its fill of loud women.
    Jen I do understand what you are saying.  I am that in real life.  Here I want to plant seeds to look at the problems at hand differently. 

    By loud I just meant, to be heard, not loud and obnoxious.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #126 on: December 13, 2023, 09:09:40 AM »
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  • Having said that, this is the last I will say on this subject. I invite you to the women’s sub forum to talk about child rearing, recipes, homemaking, gardening and all of the stuff that is within our realm. It is a great place to visit and find encouragement!
    Not all women are the same.  I love to have deep conversations.  I live with all men and I was a Daddy's girl.  Men used to seek counsel from wise women. I am sure that the disciples looked to Mary for counsel.  I just don't think men tend to do that anymore.  I might be wrong.  It doesn't mean that they have to do what she says.  It just means that they are trying to see the problems from different points of view.  Men and women definitely look at things differently.

    I truly believe that texting on forums is a very challenging way to communicate and not ideal.  What some might interpret as harsh, others will interpret as soft.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #127 on: December 13, 2023, 11:02:16 AM »
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  • This thread has become all about Gray instead of Sedevacantism
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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #128 on: December 15, 2023, 11:41:13 AM »
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  • Thank you Gray. They know that it is not I who attack first.

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    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #129 on: December 15, 2023, 11:45:13 AM »
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  • :laugh2::jester::laugh2:

    Yeah, that comment should be in the CathInfo Hall of Fame / Shame.