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Offline Meg

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Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
« Reply #90 on: December 12, 2023, 05:29:54 PM »
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  • Oh, so you finally admit it! You finally admit you follow Bergoglio! I’m curious however, in what way do you follow him? :laugh1:

    Lack of logic on your part prevents any logical dialogue. Obviously, you will not allow anyone to disagree with you. That's how it is with dogmatic sedes and sedeprivationists. It's a type of sedevacantist supremacy which believes that it must dominate all others. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #91 on: December 12, 2023, 05:31:57 PM »
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  • Tradition would not be where it is today, had God not inspired many, many diocesan priests to leave their diocese and become independents.
    Of course, Pax, my first priest in Tradition was one of these valiant warriors when my family came from the NO in 1980, before the SSPX was in Australia.

    And stop picking on Meg! She makes many intelligent observations that not a few on this forum could learn from. We all have our opinions.


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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #92 on: December 12, 2023, 05:41:17 PM »
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  • Since the priests and bishops after V2 see that Rome doesn't appear to be Catholic, then they will perform Catholic sacraments in an "emergency state".  This means the Faithful, who can't find a "true priest" will ask to be provided one to perform all needed Sacraments in a state of emergency without jurisdiction.  If they need a priest, they have to ask a bishop to help get them one, because a "true Bishop" can only make "true priests".  This is what we base our ideas on to justify being outside of Rome.  I know I don't have the most perfect words to explain this, but the Faithful are required to ask for the Sacraments and the Priests should provide them, regardless of what the "true theological position is", because we do not have an authority to tell us which of us are right and which of us are wrong.

    Period end of story. 

    All of the groups outside of Rome are continuing the Catholic Church in this way, but they spend more time fighting over "unapproved theological positions" and less time making sure all of the Faithful are getting the sacraments they need.  It shouldn't be that I have access to 5 priests (all with different positions) and some have no priests.  And the Faithful should accept all "true priests" regardless of differences in these "unapproved theological positions" because the "True Sacraments" bring down graces that we need for the spiritual battle we are currently fighting.
    You said you need help, Gray, but clearly you have your opinion all worked out, along with the husband you said you must follow.
    However, it is abundantly clear that you are here as an apologist for the sedevacantist position. Why pretend otherwise?

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #93 on: December 12, 2023, 05:44:56 PM »
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  • Lack of logic on your part prevents any logical dialogue. Obviously, you will not allow anyone to disagree with you. That's how it is with dogmatic sedes and sedeprivationists. It's a type of sedevacantist supremacy which believes that it must dominate all others.

    Fine, but please enlighten this forum on how you follow Bergoglio? 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #94 on: December 12, 2023, 05:47:03 PM »
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  • That's the difference between sedevacantists and non-sedevacantists. When one believes that the most important thing that he or she can do is to get everyone to be a sedevacantist, then there's going to be a problem
    Amen, Meg! I've been told I'm outside the Church, on the road to Hell... by people who espoused the same position as I for decades... evidently they didn't have the Faith until they became sedevacantist.

    Of course they are not all of this persuasion, but they certainly have an over-representation of such people.


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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #95 on: December 12, 2023, 06:00:52 PM »
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  • Fine, but please enlighten this forum on how you follow Bergoglio?
    Well, Pax, I would say Meg clearly means follow him in the sense of acknowledgement of the office that he holds, and the prayers which that obliges us to say for him. We pray for him in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and our own private prayers according to our duty of justice and charity, and we fervently pray that he will convert "and thou being once converted, confirm thy brethren" and finally consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #96 on: December 12, 2023, 06:04:43 PM »
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  • I for one would be happy to fight modernism and not each other.

    But what can I do when the sedevacantists believe that I do not have the right to believe that I cannot follow a heretical Pope? They believe that I cannot be allowed to believe that a heretical pope can be a Pope. How do you propose to deal with that?
    I actually think that we shouldnt focus on that argument, because the main argument is inside Rome vs outside Rome.  Most of us here are outside Rome.  We need not worry about what others think or if we think the same.  We should encourage each other to do what we know to be true and Catholic.  Go to valid Masses, keep ourselves in a state of Grace, pray the Rosary, beg God to fix this with prayer and penances.  We have so much real practical stuff we can do that we shouldn't keep fighting each other.  The sceme of the devil is to keep this going, because he knows his days are numbered if we stop fighting each other.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #97 on: December 12, 2023, 06:15:23 PM »
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  • You said you need help, Gray, but clearly you have your opinion all worked out, along with the husband you said you must follow.
    However, it is abundantly clear that you are here as an apologist for the sedevacantist position. Why pretend otherwise?
    I have been watching this fight for 20 years.  I see good people on all sides just trying to get by.  Starting a fight is what keeps this going.  I would attend any valid Mass, so stop judging what you dont know.  It is easy to just hide and make posts.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #98 on: December 12, 2023, 06:18:23 PM »
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  • Fine, but please enlighten this forum on how you follow Bergoglio?
    Meg is just trying to figure things out like the rest of us.  This type of reply just puts people on the defensive and then ends conversations.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #99 on: December 12, 2023, 06:20:15 PM »
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  • I have been watching this fight for 20 years.  I see good people on all sides just trying to get by.  Starting a fight is what keeps this going.  I would attend any valid Mass, so stop judging what you dont know.  It is easy to just hide and make posts.
    Exactly, you are a sedevacantist apologist, why did you appear on here feigning desire for advice when in fact you just want to give it? 

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #100 on: December 12, 2023, 06:29:06 PM »
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  • Exactly, you are a sedevacantist apologist, why did you appear on here feigning desire for advice when in fact you just want to give it?
    Proof?  I never preached one side or the other.  I want men to stand up and stop continuing the arguments they cant solve.  I am tired of sitting on the sideline and watching it happen.  You seem to be so wrapped up in attacking people.  Why?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #101 on: December 12, 2023, 07:42:20 PM »
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  • Meg is just trying to figure things out like the rest of us.  This type of reply just puts people on the defensive and then ends conversations.


    You’re new here. I tried that approach several times with her, to no avail. She is an unreasonable, illogical, irrational, dogmatic anti-sedevacantist. If you take an hour and read through he anti sedevacantist rants you will see that I’m on the mark.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #102 on: December 12, 2023, 07:42:52 PM »
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  • Exactly, you are a sedevacantist apologist, why did you appear on here feigning desire for advice when in fact you just want to give it?
    Really?  That's not how she has come across to me.

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #103 on: December 12, 2023, 07:44:06 PM »
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  •  I want men to stand up and stop continuing the arguments they cant solve.  I am tired of sitting on the sideline and watching it happen.  
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: The position me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #104 on: December 12, 2023, 07:53:14 PM »
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  • You’re new here. I tried that approach several times with her, to no avail. She is an unreasonable, illogical, irrational, dogmatic anti-sedevacantist. If you take an hour and read through he anti sedevacantist rants you will see that I’m on the mark.
    I think she is just frustrated with the mean things, sedevacantists keep saying to her.  I don't know. I don't know her personally.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"