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Re: The position(revised) me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2024, 03:53:03 PM »
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  • Thanks.  What about the charism of infallibility?

    I view that as a set of actual graces, and often the ordinary workings of Providence.  So, for instance, God determines the Pope that will be elected, arranges circuмstances so that he won't err (advisors he talks to, experiences he has, etc.), and, worst case, God can have him die first if he's dead set on defining some error.

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    Re: The position(revised) me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #31 on: January 23, 2024, 04:03:36 PM »
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  • I view that as a set of actual graces, and often the ordinary workings of Providence.  So, for instance, God determines the Pope that will be elected, arranges circuмstances so that he won't err (advisors he talks to, experiences he has, etc.), and, worst case, God can have him die first if he's dead set on defining some error.

    Hmm.  Interesting.


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    Re: The position(revised) me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #32 on: January 23, 2024, 04:14:26 PM »
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  • Hmm.  Interesting.

    Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever read a detailed explanation of papal infallibility in terms of anything that happens to the pope ontologically.  It's not like the authors of Sacred Scripture who were inspired.  Popes are simply prevented from teaching error.  How?  I don't know, but I don't view it as some inherent quality of a Pope as Pope, but rather more something that God protects the office from.

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    Re: The position(revised) me and my family take on Sedevacantism...
    « Reply #33 on: January 23, 2024, 04:17:08 PM »
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  • Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever read a detailed explanation of papal infallibility in terms of anything that happens to the pope ontologically.  It's not like the authors of Sacred Scripture who were inspired.  Popes are simply prevented from teaching error.  How?  I don't know, but I don't view it as some inherent quality of a Pope as Pope, but rather more something that God protects the office from.

    Okay.  I had in mind that it was some non-essential and non-permanent quality that God places in his soul while he is pope, but perhaps you are right.

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    « Reply #34 on: January 24, 2024, 11:50:20 AM »
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  • Okay.  I had in mind that it was some non-essential and non-permanent quality that God places in his soul while he is pope, but perhaps you are right.

    I asked Fr. Kramer the following question:

    "Father, is the 'papal munus' a quality (in the predicamental sense) that is added by Our Lord to the soul of the man elected?"

    This was Fr. Kramer's response:

    "In so far as the papacy exists in a person, it is a habitus, and therefore a quality. The munus therefore exists in a man as a quality."