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"The Unity of Christians Is and Remains Prayer"


VATICAN CITY, NOV. 18, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Here is the address Benedict XVI delivered today upon receiving in audience the participants in the plenary assembly of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, which ends Friday in Rome. The plenary, which coincides with the 50th anniversary of the institution of the dicastery, is considering the theme: "Toward a New Stage of Ecuмenical Dialogue."


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Esteemed Cardinals,
Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate and the Priesthood,
Dear Brothers and Sisters!


It is a great joy for me to meet with you on the occasion of the Plenary Assembly of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, during which you are reflecting on the theme: "Toward a New Stage of Ecuмenical Dialogue." In addressing my cordial greeting to each one of you, I also wish to thank in a particular way the president, Archbishop Kurt Koch, for the warm expressions with which he interpreted your sentiments.


Yesterday, as Archbishop Koch has recalled, you celebrated with a solemn commemorative ceremony, the 50th anniversary of the institution of your dicastery. On June 5, 1960, eve of the Second Vatican Council, which indicated the ecuмenical commitment as central for the Church, Blessed John XXIII created the Secretariat for the Promotion of Christian Unity, called later, in 1988, Pontifical Council. It was an act that constituted a milestone for the ecuмenical path of the Catholic Church. In the course of 50 years, it has covered much territory. I wish to express my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have given their service in the pontifical council, remembering first of all the presidents who succeeded one another: Cardinal Augustin Bea, Cardinal Johannes Willebrands, and Cardinal Edward Idris Cassidy; and I am especially pleased to thank Cardinal Walter Kasper, who led the dicastery, with competence and passion, over the last 11 years.  (There have been rumors in a few blogs that over the weekend, Cardinal-elect Abp. Raymond Burke will, with the Pope's blessing, publicly reprimand Cardinal Kasper for his resistance to the "ecuмenism of return". This passage doesn't bode well for the credibility of that prediction. CAP.) I thank the members and consultors, officials and collaborators, those who have contributed to undertake theological dialogues and ecuмenical meetings, and all those who have prayed to the Lord for the gift of visible unity between Christians. They are 50 years in which a truer knowledge and greater esteem have been acquired with the Churches and the ecclesial communities, overcoming prejudices cemented by history; there has been growth in the theological dialogue, but also in that of charity; several forms of collaboration have been developed, among which, in addition to those of the defense of life, the safeguarding of creation and the combating of injustice, important and fruitful has been that in the field of the ecuмenical translations of sacred Scripture.


In these last years, then, the pontifical council has been committed, among other things, in a wide project, the so-called Harvest Project, to sketch an initial evaluation of the goals achieved in the theological dialogues with the principal ecclesial communities of Vatican II. It is a precious work that has made evident both the areas of convergence, as well as those in which it is necessary to continue and deepen reflection. Thanking God for the fruits already gathered, I encourage you to continue your efforts to promote a correct reception of the results attained and to make known with exactness the present state of theological research at the service of the path to unity. Today some think that this path, especially in the West, has lost its élan; noted now is the urgency to revive ecuмenical interest and to give new incisiveness to the dialogues. Unheard of challenges, then, appear: the new anthropological and ethical interpretations, the ecuмenical formation of the new generations, the further fragmentation of the ecuмenical scene. It is essential to be aware of such changes and to identify the ways to proceed effectively in the light of the will of the Lord: "That they may all be one" (John 17:21).


Also with the Orthodox Churches and the Ancient Eastern Churches, with which "very close bonds" exist ("Unitatis Redintegratio," No. 15), the Catholic Church continues the dialogue with passion, seeking to deepen, in a serious and rigorous way, the common theological, liturgical and spiritual patrimony, and to address with serenity and commitment the elements that still divide us. With the Orthodox we have succeeded in touching a crucial point of encounter and reflection: the role of the Bishop of Rome in the communion of the Church. And the ecclesiological question is also at the center of the dialogue with the Ancient Eastern Churches: Despite many centuries of misunderstanding and separation, witnessed with joy is our having kept a precious common patrimony.


Dear friends, despite the presence of new problematic situations or difficult points for the dialogue, the aim of the ecuмenical path remains unchanged, as does the firm commitment in pursuing it. It is not, however, a commitment according to political categories, so to speak, in which the ability to negotiate or the greater capacity to find compromises come into play, from which could be expected, as good mediators, that, after a certain time, one will arrive at agreements acceptable to all. Ecuмenical action has a twofold movement. On one hand there is the convinced, passionate and tenacious search to find full unity in truth, to excogitate models of unity, to illumine oppositions and dark points in order to reach unity. And this in the necessary theological dialogue, but above all in prayer and in penance, in that spiritual ecuмenism which constitutes the throbbing heart of the whole path: The unity of Christians is and remains prayer, it resides in prayer. On the other hand, another operative movement, which arises from the firm awareness that we do not know the hour of the realization of the unity among all the disciples of Christ and we cannot know it, because unity is not "made by us," God "makes" it: it comes from above, from the unity of the Father with the Son in the dialogue of love which is the Holy Spirit; it is a taking part in the divine unity. And this should not make our commitment diminish, rather, it should make us ever more attentive to receive the signs of the times of the Lord, knowing how to recognize with gratitude that which already unites us and working to consolidate it and make it grow. In the end, also in the ecuмenical path, it is about leaving to God what is only his and of exploring, with seriousness, constancy and dedication, what is our task, being aware that to our commitment belongs the binomial of acting and suffering, of activity and patience, of effort and joy.


We confidently invoke the Holy Spirit, so that he will guide our way and that each one will feel with renewed vigor the appeal to work for the ecuмenical cause. I encourage all of you to continue your work; it is a help that you render to the Bishop of Rome in fulfilling his mission at the service of unity. As a sign of affection and gratitude, I impart to you my heartfelt apostolic blessing.

This is pretty bad.  I thought that the Cathoic Church possessed the Truth and had no need to search further for it, or am I mistaken?  I thought that unity is in that Truth and not in prayer, or am I wrong in that too?

Reading this makes me wonder if Benedict and I live in the same world especially when I get to a part like this:

They are 50 years in which a truer knowledge and greater esteem have been acquired with the Churches and the ecclesial communities, overcoming prejudices cemented by history; there has been growth in the theological dialogue, but also in that of charity;

Beheading Catholics, torturing them and blowing up our Churches is a sign that there has been an increase in charity and a growth in theological dialogue?  This is how you know that prejudices have been overcome?

This is pretty bad.  I thought that the Cathoic Church possessed the Truth and had no need to search further for it, or am I mistaken?  I thought that unity is in that Truth and not in prayer, or am I wrong in that too?

Reading this makes me wonder if Benedict and I live in the same world especially when I get to a part like this:

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They are 50 years in which a truer knowledge and greater esteem have been acquired with the Churches and the ecclesial communities, overcoming prejudices cemented by history; there has been growth in the theological dialogue, but also in that of charity;

Beheading Catholics, torturing them and blowing up our Churches is a sign that there has been an increase in charity and a growth in theological dialogue?  This is how you know that prejudices have been overcome?

for many, they hold out the Tyrellian hop of a one world religion, not that the RCC is the one and only to them.....

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Ahh, this is the straw that broke the camels back. My sister called while ago in tears. She said she is tired of being lied to everywhere she turns. She said this man can not speak like this and be a pope.

There you go sister! And, now I will tell her where to find a priest and the Mass.

Wonderful news!  There is only so much a Catholic can take.

was Dwn' sister NO? non-Sede trad? Prot?

In the course of 50 years, it has covered much territory. I wish to express my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have given their service in the pontifical council, remembering first of all the presidents who succeeded one another: Cardinal Augustin Bea, Cardinal Johannes Willebrands, and Cardinal Edward Idris Cassidy; and I am especially pleased to thank Cardinal Walter Kasper, who led the dicastery, with competence and passion, over the last 11 years.

I am a lay member of an SSPX chapel.  My wife and I have been in attendance at SSPX chapels for about 9 years.  In that time we have been quite active with the apostolate.  I was, until recently, a sacristan, (a position which I abandoned voluntarily, under no compulsion BTW)
What Ratzinger says above in tribute to a bunch of raging modernists, Kasper being one of the principal 'godfathers' of all the contemporary ones, absoutely enrages me.  Ratzinger is a rat!  He is not, as popularly thought by some trads, "hemmed in" by his Curia, a "prisoner" in his own house, or as our vaunted leader, Bp. Fellay strongly infers, quietly championing a "wave of renewal." Nor does he have, as Bp. Williamson likes to think, a "sick," "modern mind." That's all just BS!  Ratzinger is a good old fashioned material heretic. He is an unrepentant, card-carrying modernist.  The pope is what he has always been, an enemy of the true Faith,  one of the "anti-Christs" to whom Abp. Lefebvre once so courageously pointed.  He has, as the latter indicated over twenty years ago, "left the faith."
I just want to go on record, for the little that it's worth, that IMHO, Bp. Fellay and the SSPX have no business dealing with this gang.  The Rome discussions are a joke.  They should be abandoned, the sooner the better.  
I would become a sedevacantist in a heartbeat were I to think that taking that position meant anything.  Sedevacantism is a puerile, mindless response to the great apostasy in the Vatican.  It does not begin to address the true enormity of the problem.  It does not begin to express or define the huge dimensions of this Romish apostasy.

sounds like some prot telethon

that said, she sounds like she was never really in the RC to begin with, but that odd creation existing in neverland that tries at times to act/sound vaguely Catholic......vaguely

sounds like some prot telethon

that said, she sounds like she was never really in the RC to begin with, but that odd creation existing in neverland that tries at times to act/sound vaguely Catholic......vaguely

It is getting more vague with each passing year.

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I would become a sedevacantist in a heartbeat were I to think that taking that position meant anything.  Sedevacantism is a puerile, mindless response to the great apostasy in the Vatican.  It does not begin to address the true enormity of the problem.  It does not begin to express or define the huge dimensions of this Romish apostasy.

What position does?


As for this:  

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He is not, as popularly thought by some trads, "hemmed in" by his Curia, a "prisoner" in his own house, or as our vaunted leader, Bp. Fellay strongly infers, quietly championing a "wave of renewal."

I do not know your age, Hollingsworth, but these same pious old wives-tales about the VII popes have been making the circles since John XXIII.  Who believes them anymore?

I think at times, there is a chorus of voices and deceitful talk, but no, the last few Popes were not stupid, not naive (JP2 somewhat an exception) and are as confused as the majority of people.....