Which is more or less saying:
“I’m going to waste everyone’s time by regurgitating arguments already refuted because I am too lazy to read a long article, but if nevertheless you refuse to spoon feed it back to me, I shall declare victory, and we can close the thread.”
Okay. I never said anything about spoon feeding, I simply wanted to see how you would apply what Bishop Tissier said specifically to the points I made, since Tissier vaguely, dishonestly and in one fell swoop brushes off the entire position of Sedevacantism.
Tissier incorrectly cited the (can. 209 of the Code of Canon law 1917) to state that the
true Pope cannot be judged and that the magisterium is only "assisted if it has the intention to transmit the deposit of the faith and not profane novelties."
"We simply need to respond that “
Prima sedes a nemine judicatur” and that by consequence,
no authority can pronounce obstinacy, declaring the pertinacity of a sovereign Pontiff in error or deviance; and that on the other hand in case of doubt,
the Church supplies at least the executive power of the apparent Pope (can. 209 of the Code of Canon law 1917). As for the magisterium it is only assisted
if it has the intention to transmit the deposit of the faith and not profane novelties
."(from the article)So in summary,
(1) You cannot judge the true pope and (2) Vatican II is not infallible since it only taught "profane novelties."
As to the first part, we read that it is entirely possible and even an obligation to acknowledge heresy. You see, if you "can't judge", it means you don't know whether the "pope" is teaching you to deny our Lord Jesus Christ. Meaning, you will follow that teaching...
Pope Paul IV, Bull
cuм ex Apostolatus Officio, Feb. 15, 1559: “6. In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We enact, determine, decree and define:]
that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:(i
) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, void and worthless;
(ii) it shall not be possible for it to acquire validity (nor for it to be said that it has thus acquired validity) through the acceptance of the office, of consecration, of subsequent authority, nor through possession of administration, nor through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff, or Veneration, or obedience accorded to such by all, nor through the lapse of any period of time in the foregoing situation;
(iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way…
(vi)
those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power…
We read in the Bull
cuм ex Apostolatus Officio that "even the Roman Pontiff" if he has "deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy" would be upon promotion become "null, void and worthless."
Furthermore, we read in the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910;
"The pope himself,
if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church."
Wilhelm, Joseph. "Heresy." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 25 Sept. 2020 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm>.
Now, whether a pope is notoriously guilty of heresy is another argument because Tissier said that you can't even judge whether the pope is notorious or not... Tissier simply said you can never "
pronounce obstinacy, declaring the pertinacity of a sovereign Pontiff in error or deviance" and if there is doubt, that only the
"Church supplies at least the executive power of the apparent Pope."
Now, let's read another passage of Paul IV, from the same Bull.
Pope Paul IV, Bull
cuм ex Apostolatus Officio, Feb. 15, 1559: “1. In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that
the Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fullness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith.”
Pope Paul IV stated that the application of "you can't judge" only applies to the true Pope, meaning the Pope necessarily must not be a heretic and have "deviated from the faith." Like I said before, if you claim "you can't judge" the authority due to it's authority, you are saying that the faith is below them. Meaning, the authority gets to mutate the principle articles of the faith, and you cannot reject them... This is insane. This illogical conclusion is what led to "tradcats" accepting the contradictions of the false "church".
Antipope Benedict XVI, rejecting Jesus Christ;
Benedict XVI,
Milestones, 1998, pages 53-54: “I have ever more come to the realization that
Judaism… and the Christian faith described in the New Testament are two ways of appropriating Israel’s Scriptures,
two ways that, in the end, are both determined by the position one assumes with regard to the figure of Jesus of Nazareth. The Scripture we today call Old Testament is in itself open to both ways…”
Benedict XVI,
Zenit News story, Sept. 5, 2000: “[W]e are in agreement that
a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions,
does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved…”This is obscene heresy, and if "you can't judge it" then you must adhere to it. This is why ironically, anti-sedevacantists are actually the ones judging what "you can't judge." Like I said before in my previous post, if he's truly the pope, you cannot dissent from his teachings.
And in regards to Tissier saying that the magisterium is only infallible when it doesn't teach "profane novelties", it doesn't make sense. I posted before how the Antipopes taught that Vatican II was to be held as doctrinal and pastoral, binding on all the faithful. The content of the council was extremely pertinent to the faith, as is obvious from what is going on today among the "faithful". To say that Vatican II only taught novelties, meaning not "on faith or morals" as Pius IX declared at Vatican I, is totally dishonest.