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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: poche on December 03, 2018, 04:36:50 AM
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Pope Francis has been quoted in a soon-to-be published book as saying that having gαys in the clergy “is something that worries me” and remarking that some societies are considering ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity a “fashionable” lifestyle.
Italian daily Corriere della Sera’s website Saturday ran excerpts of the book in the form of an interview that Francis gave about religious vocations. Francis was quoted as describing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity within the walls of seminaries, convents and other religious places where clergy live as “a very serious question.”
“In our societies, it even seems ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is fashionable. And this mentality, in some way, also influences the life of the church,” Francis was quoted as telling his interviewer, a Spanish-born missionary priest, Fernando Prado.
The book, based on four hours of conversations the two had in August at the Vatican, will be published in 10 languages next week. Its Spanish title is “La Fuerza de la vocacion,” (“The Strength of Vocation”).
Francis reiterated past Vatican pronouncements about the attention that must be given to selecting men for admission to seminaries, saying “we must very much take care of human and sentimental maturity” when training future priests.
Separately, the Italian news agency ANSA quoted Francis in the book as commenting on a clergyman who had told him that having gαys in Catholic religious housing “isn’t so grave” because it’s “only an expression of affection.”
That reasoning “is in error,” Francis said. “In consecrated life and priestly life, there is no place for this kind of affection.”
He said candidates with “neuroses or strong unbalances” should not be accepted “to the priesthood nor to (other forms of) consecrated life.”
https://www.apnews.com/420b7a6215874971bff9c98577b6c5c5
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If he's really so worried about it you would think he would at least defrock the most blatant homos in the hierarchy and order an end to their aiding the gαy agenda with LGBT events and being guest of honor at gαy parades. Just soundbites to mollify
the outrage voiced by Catholic faithful of late.
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According to his home country newspapers he is a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ himself. Therefore, he should begin by removing himself.
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Anyone who call sodomists gαy is suspect. That article is just so much waffle.
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If he's really so worried about it you would think he would at least defrock the most blatant homos in the hierarchy and order an end to their aiding the gαy agenda with LGBT events and being guest of honor at gαy parades. Just soundbites to mollify
the outrage voiced by Catholic faithful of late.
that is what they did to Cardinal McGarrick.
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Anyone that listens to this "pope" is part of the problem. They listen to him because they are compensated for going along or they can keep their earthly attachments to sin.
What do I mean by that?
They listen to him because they are compensated for going along - they are given positions of authority in their church which they do not want to lose. They are eucharistic minsters, leaders of the choir, catechism teachers...….
They can keep their earthly attachments to sin - they are confirmed in their sins by: annulments (adultery) , sex education in Catholic schools (fornication, self abuse, NFP, no confessions), uncharitable/ cheating/ lying business/work/life practices (by donating money to the church, no confessions) , told that their sodomite attractions are the same as normal sɛҳuąƖ attraction.
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Pope Francis has been quoted in a soon-to-be published book as saying that having gαys in the clergy “is something that worries me” and remarking that some societies are considering ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity a “fashionable” lifestyle....“we must very much take care of human and sentimental maturity” when training future priests"
What does he mean by that? This article nothing. What worries him about: "having gαys in the clergy “is something that worries me” and remarking that some societies are considering ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity a “fashionable” lifestyle", “we must very much take care of human and sentimental maturity” when training future priests? It says nothing. This is the same coded language we've been hearing for close to 50 years now from the counterfeit Vatican II church popes.
Let me translate what this really means: He is worried about the church allowing indiscrete pedophiles and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who are "uncivilized" in their relations with men. He wants them to be low profile. The fashionable lifestyle quote is the same, he wants order to the "lifestyle", like no changing "partners" every hour or day. He wants "civilized" sodomistic behavior. In the quote about "take care of human and sentimental maturity” when training future priests", he means that they must weed out at the seminary level the pedophiles who are not psychologically able to keep a low profile.
Bergolio himself is a sodomite, and the bottom line in this message is that he wants the other sodomites to be more like him, low profile and discrete.
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This is the same coded language we've been hearing for close to 50 years now from the counterfeit Vatican II church popes.
Time flies, it is actually now 60 years since John XXIII was elected.
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https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2018/12/03/facta-non-verba-5/
Facta, Non Verba!
DEC 3 (https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2018/12/03/facta-non-verba-5/)
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(https://mundabor.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/tucho.jpg?w=604)Promoted by Francis
Francis dear has decided to play, for once, the part of the Catholic. (https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2018/12/02/pope-francis-no-room-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity-priesthood/)
In very soft words, and without even having one harsh word about the reality of sodomy, the Evil Clown has managed to, in fact, say that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have no place in the priesthood.
Now, this little trick would have worked in, say, May 2013. At that point, one would still have been able to nurture some hope that the new Pontificate might turn not too bad, at least for the standard of V II. Reading Francis through Benedict, and all that.
In this Advent season of 2018, I am afraid Francis’ intervention is too little, too late, and exceedingly hypocritical to boot.
This is the Pope of “who am I to judge”. This is the Pope who mocked journalists asking whether homo priests go around with the homo badge. This is the Pope who keeps protecting clearly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or homo-enabling prelates in his own Curia (Paglia, Coccopalmerio come to mind), allows the likes of Father James “I so wish I were a woman” Martin to go around pretending to speak for the Catholic Church, has the likes of Father Rosica as press people and receives notorious homo priests for the joy of the perverts and the photographers.
Make no mistake: the realisation that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity as the real root of the problems the Church is now going through (all of them: theological, liturgical, and sɛҳuąƖ) is starting to get traction, and the Evil Clown does what he has been always doing: telling people what they want to hear whilst not caring a bit tomorrow about what he says today.
It is now too late for Francis to pretend that he cares about integrity in the Church. Francis is not the solution, he is the problem at its worst and most rotten.
If Francis really has half the intention of dealing with the issue, let the facts speak instead of empty words: away with Paglia and Coccopalmerio, away with Martin and Rosica, away with “Tucho” Fernandez, away with every Cardinal and Bishop suspected of being one of those, then a Bishop or Cardinal must be above suspicion.
Will Frankie dear do that? Of course not. Evil Clown is only able to spew empty words for the benefit of those dumb enough to believe him. Let it be known, all over the Catholic blogosphere, that proclamations of integrity whilst remaining the best ally of the homo mafia (if he is not one of those himself) is not going to wash it.
The uprooting of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity within the Church goes through the uprooting of this disgraceful Pontificate; preferably with an imperfect Council or a Cardinal’s revolt, or else in the mysterious way that the Lord will, unavoidably, choose when our stupidity and arrogance in believing in the “aggiornamento” will have been punished for long enough.
If Francis believes that he can remake a new virginity for himself with empty proclamations, he is sorely mistaken.
M
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Anyone that listens to this "pope" is part of the problem. They listen to him because they are compensated for going along or they can keep their earthly attachments to sin.
What do I mean by that?
They listen to him because they are compensated for going along - they are given positions of authority in their church which they do not want to lose. They are eucharistic minsters, leaders of the choir, catechism teachers...….
They can keep their earthly attachments to sin - they are confirmed in their sins by: annulments (adultery) , sex education in Catholic schools (fornication, self abuse, NFP, no confessions), uncharitable/ cheating/ lying business/work/life practices (by donating money to the church, no confessions) , told that their sodomite attractions are the same as normal sɛҳuąƖ attraction.
Where I live there are normally long lines at the confessional.
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that is what they did to Cardinal McGarrick.
Who did what to Cardinal McGarrick? Help me understand, Poche.
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Who did what to Cardinal McGarrick? Help me understand, Poche.
The ex Cardinal McGarrick is no longer a cardinal. He has been exiled to a monastery somewhere in Kansas to live a life of prayer and penance in atonement for his sins.
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Three cardinals have been removed from the Council of Cardinals, with Pope Francis writing to each prelate to thank him for his 5-year term of service on the top advisory body.
Two of the three cardinals who will no longer serve on the Council of Cardinals have been implicated in sex-abuse complaints. The third is well beyond retirement age.
The three are:
- Cardinal George Pell, who has been away from Rome for months, on a leave of absence from his role as prefect of the Secretariat for the Economy, while facing criminal charges in his native Australia. Cardinal Pell has repeatedly and adamantly insisted that he is innocent of the charges. The Vatican had indicated that Pope Francis would not take action until the Australian court case had run its course. The announcement that Cardinal Pell has been removed from the body lends credence to unconfirmed reports that Cardinal Pell has been found guilty after a secret trial.
- Cardinal Javier Errazuriz, the retired Archbishop of Santiago. Cardinal Errazuriz currently faces questions from Chilean prosecutors because of complaints that he covered up evidence of sɛҳuąƖ abuse. Although well past retirement age—he is now 85—Cardinal Errazuriz had been retained on the papal advisory board in spite of the allegations, although he had not attended the most recent meetings.
- Cardinal Laurent Monsengwo Pasinya, who resigned in November from his post as Archbishop of Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo, at the age of 79. The African cardinal has not been implicated in the abuse scandal, and his removal from the Council of Cardinals is apparently due simply to his retirement.
The Vatican announcement of the prelates’ departures came as the Council of Cardinals completed a three-day series of meetings. This was the 27th meeting of the Council, which is working to prepare a docuмent restructuring the Roman Curia.
There are now six members of the Council of Cardinals: Cardinals Oscar Maradiaga Rodriguez, Pietro Marolin, Sean O’Malley, Reinhard Marx, Giuseppe Bertello, and Oswald Gracias. The Vatican has not made any announcement about replacing the outgoing members.
https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=39866