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Offline Cheryl

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The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body????
« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2010, 05:32:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Leisa


    from:
    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Sedevacantism_Refuted.html


    Leisa, stay away from the site, most holy family monastery.  It has played havoc with the heads of many a new Sedevacantists.
    For starters, the "brothers" are not really monks.  No one can find any proof of their investiture.  If you don't think as they say, then you're a heretic. There is "some" good info on their site, but you have to sift through a lot of garbage to find a treasure.  Please stay away from that site!  Feel free to PM me and I'll provide you with Sede links that will provide you with the true teachings of The Church.  I can't state it strongly enough, stay away from that site!  It is the worst site for those who are new to Sedevacantism!    :scared2:

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    The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body????
    « Reply #76 on: October 24, 2010, 10:14:44 AM »
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    • Cheryl, is offering good advice, that site is Hell on earth.

    Yes, the site has much good information, just like the  :devil2:
    he gives you something attractive then you are trapped.  They are outside the Church because not only of their judgement toward their fellow Catholics; mainly they deny Church teaching, they deny Baptism of Blood/Desire. Although the Church teaches and has always taught BOD/BOD, since the beginning when Christians were tossed into the Lions den, without water Baptism, and became Saints, many canonized, because they died for Christ while desiring baptism.    

    They appear to be ever so Catholic, but the things on their web site that are correct are copied from other acceptable web sites.  

    These Dimond brothers truly give sedevacantist a very bad name, which is exactly what the devil wants.  
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    The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body????
    « Reply #77 on: October 24, 2010, 01:12:16 PM »
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    Leisa,
    I'm certainly not an expert on such things, but do know that there are different types of heretics...

    material heretic - believes something which is heresy although they don't know it to be such
    formal heretic - knows that the belief they hold is heresy
    pertinacious heretic - a formal heretic who has been corrected by Church authority and yet refuses to submit and discontinue belief in the heresy

    Those who hold to a heresy unknowingly are still within the Church. St. Thomas gives a list of knowledge with is essential to joining the Church. Yes, it is fitting for every Catholic to know all the ins and outs of the Faith, but the essentials is a very short list and there may be those who have joined the Church who are mistaken on any number of things until they are taught otherwise.

    I don't know if it's more proper to refer to such individuals as "material heretics" or "persons holding to a heresy", but either way, they're still within the Church if they've never been taught otherwise.

    As TKGS said, those who fit this catagory are probably not many.


    Ok, so if I'm hearing you correctly, you are saying that you are guilty of the sins you commit even if you didn't know they are a sin, but you are not guilty of believing a heresy if you didn't know it was a heresy.

    Is that correct?
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    « Reply #78 on: October 24, 2010, 01:30:01 PM »
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    The SSPX actually has plenty of sedevacanists. The ones who are sede may not come out and admit it publicly, but there are indeed sedes in the Society. And when has the SSPX ever wanted priests to accept the abuse scandals going on in the Vatican II church? Please explain that, Tele.


    The point of the catechism class was to defend the current hierarchy against the media criticism.  When I mentioned that maybe the scandals have to do with the crisis and the problems in the seminaries the priest started talking about how it went back to Pius XII.  He didn't want to link the two, even though ten percent of the priests ordained in 1970 have been accused of abused.

    It wasn't just the catechism class.  There was similar material in the Angelus: a letter from a Jєωιѕн businessman to a local paper that the Angelus republished.  This priest read that letter to the class.  He regularly contributes to the Angelus.

    Believe me, there's a very very serious problem in the society.


    Well, modernism in the Church does date back to Pius XII, but I don't believe at all he was responsible for it. The abuse scandal I think dates to the days of Paul VI. Like I said though, the SSPX may not be as good as they once were, but if not for them and Archbishop LeFebvre we would have no TLM.
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    « Reply #79 on: October 24, 2010, 01:46:27 PM »
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    Cheryl, is offering good advice, that site is Hell on earth.

    Yes, the site has much good information, just like the  :devil2:
    he gives you something attractive then you are trapped.  They are outside the Church because not only of their judgement toward their fellow Catholics; mainly they deny Church teaching, they deny Baptism of Blood/Desire. Although the Church teaches and has always taught BOD/BOD, since the beginning when Christians were tossed into the Lions den, without water Baptism, and became Saints, many canonized, because they died for Christ while desiring baptism.    

    They appear to be ever so Catholic, but the things on their web site that are correct are copied from other acceptable web sites.  

    These Dimond brothers truly give sedevacantist a very bad name, which is exactly what the devil wants.  


    Hi Myrna, thanks for the warning.  Its nice to meet a fellow sedevacantist and also its nice to meet Cheryl as well.

    I must admit I am confused by your statements because John 3:5 says
    Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



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    The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body????
    « Reply #80 on: October 24, 2010, 01:58:57 PM »
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    Hi Myrna, thanks for the warning.  Its nice to meet a fellow sedevacantist and also its nice to meet Cheryl as well.

    I must admit I am confused by your statements because John 3:5 says
    Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.





    No, Leisa, no! Please! We just went through all this a few weeks ago, in excruciating detail. I posted that same passage from John, too. By the time it was all over, we were all more confused than when we started!

    I've quoted that same passage on Fisheaters, too, and I never understand the answers that I get. By the time it's all over, I feel like I just stuck my cerebrum in a blender.

    Me, before BOD/BOB discussion:  :incense:

    Me, after BOD/BOB discussion:       :ape:
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    « Reply #81 on: October 24, 2010, 02:14:32 PM »
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    • I'll discuss anything else you want to:

    Mormon view of apostolic succession
    Aztec trade routes
    Toothpaste manufacture
    Barack Obama's academic credentials
    The sex life of the gerbil

    Anything! Just not...BOB and BOD!  :scared2:
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    The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body????
    « Reply #82 on: October 24, 2010, 02:16:48 PM »
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    « Reply #83 on: October 24, 2010, 02:18:58 PM »
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    • Oh my! You are a funny one!
    Thanks for the laugh.
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    The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body????
    « Reply #84 on: October 24, 2010, 02:35:59 PM »
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    I'll discuss anything else you want to:

    Mormon view of apostolic succession
    Aztec trade routes
    Toothpaste manufacture
    Barack Obama's academic credentials
    The sex life of the gerbil

    Anything! Just not...BOB and BOD!  :scared2:



    SJT, just how much is it worth to you not to go there again? :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:
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    « Reply #85 on: October 24, 2010, 02:41:08 PM »
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    SJT, just how much is it worth to you not to go there again? :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:


    I'll send you the "JPII" rosary my mother bought at the Vatican when she went four years ago, and had blessed by Benedict XVI! (Blessed from 300 yards away, of course.)
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    « Reply #86 on: October 24, 2010, 02:44:20 PM »
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    Oh my! You are a funny one!
    Thanks for the laugh.


    I was being dead serious, ma'am.  :cowboy:
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    « Reply #87 on: October 24, 2010, 03:53:54 PM »
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    I was being dead serious, ma'am.  :cowboy:



    Ok, but now I have to ask, - do you believe in baptism of desire and baptism of blood?  
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    « Reply #88 on: October 24, 2010, 03:57:44 PM »
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    I was being dead serious, ma'am.  :cowboy:



    Ok, but now I have to ask, - do you believe in baptism of desire and baptism of blood?  


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    « Reply #89 on: October 24, 2010, 04:51:22 PM »
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    • Does anyone remember where that last discussion was, the link so Leisa can read it?  
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