Author Topic: The Pope Doesnt believe in the Resurrection of the Body???? (Read 27078 times)

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #310 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:12:41 PM »

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sedes are gnostics? Ya okay how do they come up with that?

I have across this phenomenon among both sedes and anti-sedes who reel out tons of medieval encyclicals and docuмents from obscure 7th century councils and then anathematize any and everyone who is unaware of these same docuмents and/or does not come to the same conclusions as they do. When you protest that to be a good Catholic one does not have to be an expert in Canon Law they accuse you of promoting "invincible ignorance." I have been told that it is the duty of every Catholic to spend many hours every day sifting through two thousand years of paperwork in order to come up with the "right answers" to the current crisis. I have also noticed that those same people who promote this legalistic version of Catholicism often have little or no time for, or interest in, prayer, worship, and acts of mercy and charity.

Right here on li'l ol' Cathinfo we have and have had some of these people, on both sides of the aisle.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #311 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:24:08 PM »

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Is he just another victim too, of modernist seminaries, liturgical experiments, indifferentist ecuмenism, and obfuscating superiors? To what extent can a man in his position be judged to be a mere "victim"? I wish I knew. Or maybe I already do.

he was born in Germany in the 20's, sa-yes, likely he was from youth indoctrinated by modernists ideas, as Germany seems to always lead the way in heretical ideas.....hence, his now middle of the road appraoch to things...strengthened by the 60's,etc

Undoubtedly so, Belloc, and again, if he were just an average Sunday pew-warmer I wouldn't be surprised that he holds the beliefs that he does. I myself at one time believed things so absurd that now it would give me great shame to even mention them.

But...I'm not the Pope. I have to wonder to what extent is his ignorance willful and malicious or just casual and innocent. That God is using him to achieve some end I have no doubt. I don't mean to throw stones at the man, or his predecessor, but some of the things they've said and done really call into question their integrity, and that of the hundreds of cardinals who voted for them. Are all of these people really that ignorant of the Faith? Do they all have such feeble prayer lives that none has had his mind opened by the Holy Spirit? I prayed a little bit for guidance, after years of sin and stupidity, and the Holy Ghost and the BVM came quickly to my aid, and steered me to the True Church. Why don't They do the same for men who purport to lead millions of others in the Faith?

Belloc · « **Reply #312 on:** November 05, 2010, 07:31:50 AM »

I think both innocent and willful ignorance. Remember what the enemy thinks-get a hold of children yougn and indoctrinated them, do that for 2-3 generations, and no one will know another way, but the one given to them.

that said, B16 I think has seen the effects of his gnerations ways and those before, but I think he is now flumoxed as t o what to do....he cannot throw out V2, the greatest event of his life and his generation..yet sees the devastation. Wants tradition in many areas, but wants to reform the NO, instead of phasiing it out and promoting only the TLM,etc....

very double minded....

JP2 would have been better to be a mystic monk, then a leader.....too wishy washy, too willing to "just be folks" instead of making the hard decisions....Williamson said of him "he has a weak grasp of Catholicism" and would have to agree....often, he sounded more "spirit within" new agery then Catholic and militantcy was largely non-existant....perhaps,s JP2 should be viewed as a Pope given to us to punish us.......why we have Obama and Mccain,et al now.....

MyrnaM · « **Reply #313 on:** November 05, 2010, 08:19:42 AM »

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Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus
Is he just another victim too, of modernist seminaries, liturgical experiments, indifferentist ecuмenism, and obfuscating superiors? To what extent can a man in his position be judged to be a mere "victim"? I wish I knew. Or maybe I already do.

he was born in Germany in the 20's, sa-yes, likely he was from youth indoctrinated by modernists ideas, as Germany seems to always lead the way in heretical ideas.....hence, his now middle of the road appraoch to things...strengthened by the 60's,etc

Undoubtedly so, Belloc, and again, if he were just an average Sunday pew-warmer I wouldn't be surprised that he holds the beliefs that he does. I myself at one time believed things so absurd that now it would give me great shame to even mention them.

But...I'm not the Pope. I have to wonder to what extent is his ignorance willful and malicious or just casual and innocent. That God is using him to achieve some end I have no doubt. I don't mean to throw stones at the man, or his predecessor, but some of the things they've said and done really call into question their integrity, and that of the hundreds of cardinals who voted for them. Are all of these people really that ignorant of the Faith? Do they all have such feeble prayer lives that none has had his mind opened by the Holy Spirit? I prayed a little bit for guidance, after years of sin and stupidity, and the Holy Ghost and the BVM came quickly to my aid, and steered me to the True Church. Why don't They do the same for men who purport to lead millions of others in the Faith?

These guys were hand picked, they are sheeps in wolves clothing, who said, "You will know them by their fruits"...?

The fruits are results of THEM....

Belloc · « **Reply #314 on:** November 05, 2010, 08:28:48 AM »

handpicked, then, by who?? if not picked by God tp punish and afflict us....nor by Holy Ghost as Pope, then who.???

recall in secular, Obama, Peℓσѕι, they see themselves as players and most see them as such, but they were long ago indoctrinated and dumbed down....Peℓσѕι is direct result of upbringing in Americanism, modernism,etc....

so, are we saying B16, etc were indoctrinated in youth? in seminary?? or...do we think they are openly coniving, like those Jack CHick comics, wherein he has characters-usually hideous looking, openly talking about folling and lying to people.???

again, who did the handpicking and for what end?