Author Topic: "Cardinal Siri" and Ottavianis Hidden War Against Montini (Read 5817 times)

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2011, 10:09:19 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

In case anyone wants to read the full docuмent, rather than little excerpts with some layman's interpretation of events, here's where you can get Nikitaroncalli in its full publication. This has been online for quite some time.
http://www.huttongibson.com/PDFs/huttongibson_NIKITARONCALLI_book.pdf

From page 59

John XXIII has liquidated two thousand years of Catholic Church.”

This ebook should be posted in the Library section of this
forum for easy reference.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2011, 10:15:02 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

The One and Triune God is not and cannot be the author of confusion and/or contradiction.

But how does accepting the present Vatican hierarchy solve this issue? Is it not plain to all of us that the Vatican has done nothing but cause confusion and contradiction during these last 50 years?

I am NOT trying to be an ass, but trying to point out that the "solution" you espouse is, in fact, the very heart of the problem. May God have mercy on us all as we try to navigate very rough waters...

Jehanne · « **Reply #17 on:** February 07, 2011, 08:47:06 PM »

I agree. However, I do not think that we should commit the Protestant heresy of private judgment and/or interpretation. Of course, I am not a neo-con Catholic, but a traditional one, and I firmly believe that we all should continue to profess the True Faith and the True Church (even if we cannot agree on absolutely everything), in spite of the real and/or apparent heresies of the present and recent-past Magisterium. After all, "all sins can be forgiven," so as Pope Benedict nears his own death and judgment, perhaps he will reconsider some of the statements which have flowed from his heretical tongue.

Oremus · « **Reply #18 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:07:45 AM »

Quote from: Gortan

RATZINGER HERETICALLY DENIES THE REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS (GOD) IN THE EUCHARIST: “Eucharistic devotion such as is noted in the silent visit by the devout in church must not be thought of as a conversation with God. This would assume that God was present there locally and in a confined way. To justify such an assertion shows a lack of understanding of the Christological mysteries of the very concept of God. This is repugnant to the serious thinking of the man who knows about the omnipresence of God. To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects." (Die Sakramentale Begrundung Christlicher Existenz 1966, Kyrios Publishing, Freising-Meitingen-Germany)
-Gort

This is a horrible statement but perhaps he recanted before he was elected? He apparently said this in 1966.

Oremus · « **Reply #19 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:56:19 AM »

Quote from: Gortan

One should look into the important history of cuм ex Apostolatus Officio (which was penned by the future St. Pius V for Pius IV) and how it is Heaven's Decree to protect innocent lambs from false Shepherds inperpetuity.

I'll read it. Thanks.

As for Fr. Peter Khoan Van Tran, I can't find any information on him outside of the Cardinal Siri websites. Where can I learn more about him i.e. ordination?

Oremus · « **Reply #20 on:** February 08, 2011, 11:04:17 AM »

Quote from: Gortan

Quote from: Oremus
[As for Fr. Peter Khoan Van Tran, I can't find any information on him outside of the Cardinal Siri websites. Where can I learn more about him i.e. ordination?

That is because the falling empire of Donald Sanborn and Co., are more fearful of him than anyone else.

The Rev. Fr. Peter Khoat Van Tran, was ordained on May 5th (Feast of St. Pius V) *1967 by his diocesan bishop.

I could get you the name of this bishop from Fr. K if you like.

*During the usurpation (eclipse of the Church)

I would appreciate it if you could. And I'm not asking for reasons other than I'm interested in learning the stories behind independent priests. You know, where they were ordained, who they were ordained by, when did they go independent etc. I've read that book "Priest, where is thy Mass?" about three times already.

Anyways, thanks for any info you can provide. I did not know Fr. K was a diocesan priest at one time.

roscoe · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2011, 03:41:23 PM »

Since Pius XII(XIII) was a personal student and desciple of Cardinal Rampolla and since Cardinal Siri was his personal choice to be the next Pope, that makes Pope Gregory XVII a desciple of Rampolla as well.

Apparently I do not know how to spell desciple.

roscoe · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2011, 06:03:36 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Also, I wonder if Saint Cyprian (not made a priest, first, but a BISHOP) had foreseen the fact that saints had followed antipopes before, unknowingly, when there were pretenders saying they were popes, and were not, yet, made it to heaven, regardless?

Keeping in mind that the Fr popes of GWS have not been proclaimed as anti-popes, no example of a saint who has followed an anti-pope has yet been provided.