Author Topic: The Papacy of Pius XII is a dogmatic fact (Read 1670 times)

ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2013, 04:50:50 PM »

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Thus, as long as a pope is accepted by the Church, and united with her like the head is united to the body, one can no longer raise any doubt about a possible defective election

Now who can claim that the SSPX is united to their head or any faithful traditionalist for that matter. Other then the cardboard picture there is no unity with their head, you have one religion he has another. Dogmatic fact.

Bergoglio is not united to the Church big difference...

Charlemagne · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2013, 08:38:25 PM »

What if the "whole Church" has lost the Faith? After all, "The whole world groaned and was amazed to find itself Arian."

ThomisticPhilosopher · « **Reply #12 on:** November 12, 2013, 08:57:00 PM »

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What if the "whole Church" has lost the Faith? After all, "The whole world groaned and was amazed to find itself Arian."

Yes what St. Athanasius is talking about is the fact of appearances of numbers falling like lemmings to the doctrines of the anti-Christ. Before I used to have a positive doubt about the Conciliarist, but every single time I would read the actual docuмents (joint declarations, ecuмenical directories, official approved new canon law, disciplinary approved measures etc...), I would be so perplexed each time finding it more and more difficult to make the men minimally barely Catholic, sufficient for me to say that they have the office which I claim they have. The main thing is that despite any real proven cօռspιʀαcιҽs that their is evidence for the SV'ist thesis stands on its own without any help except by going with the official Conciliar magisterium. I am not talking about "abuses" or "misinterpretations" here, for a long time many conservatives have known how bad the Jesuits are and now they have to endure one of the worst possible Jesuits. One from Latin America which it is impossible for Father Arrupe (the black Pope at that time) not to have named Provincial of Argentina (at that time Bergoglio) if he did not have Liberation theology leanings... To put it nicely... We are talking here during a time in Latin America that a good number of Jesuits were actually fighting as guerillas. How worse can it get!?

I repeat once again it took the Jesuits to destroy the strong foundations of the Church, and now it takes a Jesuit to finish the job :rahrah:.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #13 on:** November 13, 2013, 06:43:47 AM »

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Quote from: Charlemagne
What if the "whole Church" has lost the Faith? After all, "The whole world groaned and was amazed to find itself Arian."

Yes what St. Athanasius is talking about is the fact of appearances of numbers falling like lemmings to the doctrines of the anti-Christ. Before I used to have a positive doubt about the Conciliarist, but every single time I would read the actual docuмents (joint declarations, ecuмenical directories, official approved new canon law, disciplinary approved measures etc...), I would be so perplexed each time finding it more and more difficult to make the men minimally barely Catholic, sufficient for me to say that they have the office which I claim they have. The main thing is that despite any real proven cօռspιʀαcιҽs that their is evidence for the SV'ist thesis stands on its own without any help except by going with the official Conciliar magisterium. I am not talking about "abuses" or "misinterpretations" here, for a long time many conservatives have known how bad the Jesuits are and now they have to endure one of the worst possible Jesuits. One from Latin America which it is impossible for Father Arrupe (the black Pope at that time) not to have named Provincial of Argentina (at that time Bergoglio) if he did not have Liberation theology leanings... To put it nicely... We are talking here during a time in Latin America that a good number of Jesuits were actually fighting as guerillas. How worse can it get!?

I repeat once again it took the Jesuits to destroy the strong foundations of the Church, and now it takes a Jesuit to finish the job :rahrah:.

Nice post!