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The Old Covenant and New Popes
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    The Old Covenant and New Popes
    What is it with the Modernists of Vatican II that they want to cling to the Old Testament and deny Christ's teachings and what His holy Church believes? No matter what you want to call them, no matter that they occupy our Catholic edifices, wear Catholic garments, or are considered by the world as Catholic spokesmen, one thing is manifestly clear: They are not Catholic!!!
    "This just in. All the pre-conciliar popes and saints were heretics. That is correct. For the Holy Ghost has finally enlightened to the true modern conciliar popes that the Old Covenant was never revoked. You read that right. Saint Paul was a heretic as were all that believed as he did regarding the Old Covenant. The reason why it has taken so long for the Second Coming of Christ is that God knew it would take until the late 20th century for a real pope (John Paul II) to be enlightened by the Holy Ghost and to finally understand that the Old Covenant has not been revoked. Yes, when Christ finally comes again He will find a billion 'Catholics' that are not following the mistake of their pre-conciliar predecessors, Saint Paul and all the others who wasted their time trying to convert the Jews dying for that cause as did Jesus Christ Himself when He died on the cross establishing the New Covenant because we can still be saved through the Old Covenant."
        In Matthew 26:28 we read, "For this is My blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins." In Mark 14:24 Our Lord says: "This is My blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many." And in Luke 22:20 is written: "In like manner, the chalice also, after He had supped, saying: 'This is the chalice, the new testament in My blood, which shall be shed for you.'" Finally, the Apostle Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 11: 25, "In like manner also the chalice, after He had supped, saying: 'This chalice is the new testament in My blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of Me.'"

        This just in. All the pre-conciliar popes and saints were heretics. That is correct. For the Holy Ghost has finally enlightened to the true modern conciliar popes that the Old Covenant was never revoked. You read that right. Saint Paul was a heretic as were all that believed as he did regarding the Old Covenant. The reason why it has taken so long for the Second Coming of Christ is that God knew it would take until the late 20th century for a real pope (John Paul II) to be enlightened by the Holy Ghost and to finally understand that the Old Covenant has not been revoked. Yes, when Christ finally comes again he will find a billion “Catholics” that are not following the mistake of their pre-conciliar predecessors, Saint Paul and all the others who wasted their time trying to convert the Jews dying for that cause as did Jesus Christ Himself when He died on the cross establishing the New Covenant because we can still be saved through the Old Covenant.

        No need to convert to Traditional Catholicism my friends. Everything is just fine the way it is in your new Church founded not on the blood of the martyrs but the heresies of Vatican II and the new popes.

        Don’t believe that the pre-conciliar popes or Saint Paul taught that the Old Covenant was revoked?

        The Council of Florence, which took place between 1438 and 1445, infallibly decreed

    " It firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord's coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors. Therefore, it commands all who glory in the name of Christian, at whatever time, before or after baptism, to cease entirely from circumcision, since, whether or not one places hope in it, it cannot be observed at all without the loss of eternal salvation.
    Regarding children, indeed, because of danger of death, which can often take place, when no help can brought to them by another remedy than through the sacrament of baptism, through which they are snatched from the domination of the Devil and adopted among the sons of God, it advises that holy baptism ought not to be deferred for forty or eighty days, or any time according to the observance of certain people, but it should be conferred as soon as it can be done conveniently, but so that, when danger of death is imminent, they be baptized in the form of the Church, early without delay, even by a layman or woman, if a priest should be lacking, just as is contained more fully in the decree of the Armenians (n. 696).

    After the promulgation of the New Testament the "Legal Precepts of the Old Testament became deadly 712; the observance of the commandments however belongs even to the New Testament 804, 828 ff., 837, 863;" (End Denzinger quotations) (Sources of Catholic Dogma, Denzinger).

        Those in the New Church worship falsely and believe in the heresies promulgated by their false bishops and popes. The New Church extinguishes the true faith through its liturgy and through its catechesis. The Daily Catholic editor very accurately depicted new order Catholics with the frog in the boiling water analogy in The Boiling Point! as I was one of those frogs and I have personally witnessed numerous other frogs happily boil to death. Yes indeed, the best of the New Church priests, following the lead of their Vatican leaders teach heresies as being true doctrine. "Doctrines" that the Roman Catholic Church never taught and never can teach.

        One such example was a new Church bible study I was still a part of about 10 months after I converted to (Traditional) Catholicism where the priest leading it taught that the Old Covenant was never revoked. We were looking at the text in Saint Matthew’s Gospel that talks about not pouring old wine in the new wine skins and I read the commentary from Robert Sungenis in his Gospel of Matthew on how the old and new wine skins parallels the old Covenant and the New Covenant. The following month, at the next bible study, perhaps after considering that objection, the priest reworded his "teaching" from “the Old Covenant has never been revoked” to “the Old Covenant has been 'expanded'" - which actually is worse than his first heretical teaching.

        If the old covenant has been expanded then we must observe the 637 some-odd Old Covenant prescriptions that Jesus fulfilled with the additional six precepts of the New and Everlasting Covenant in the Church Christ founded. We must be justified by baptism and nourished and cleansed through the other Sacraments and sacrifice animals in a temple that does not exist. Both the animal sacrifices and the precepts of the New and everlasting Covenant are necessary because as new order priest and as JPII himself said, “the Old Covenant has never been revoked by God”. Oh by the way, this also makes it convenient for the new church not to offend the Jews and to engage in their false ecumenism. Though I’m sure this is just a coincidence. I’m just as sure as that as I am sure all the popes before Vatican Two were heretics for believing and teaching that the old Covenant was indeed revoked by God when He died on the cross establishing the New and Everlasting Covenant.

        So what is false ecumenism? Well let’s first figure out what true ecumenism is. True ecumenism is when the One, True, Church tries to convert those steeped in their errors and on the road to perdition.

        False ecumenism is when people who pretend to be members of the One, True, Church tell everybody that they are fine just the way that they are and that they need not convert unless they decide on their own that they want to and that they certainly are not going to Hell if they stay in their religion, regardless of what that religion believes or worships.

        This would also be the case if the Old Covenant and New Covenant were both in effect. The only way not to make the statement “the Old Covenant was never revoked (by God)” without it being an asinine statement would be if the New Covenant was never established but that would make a mockery of Christ and the New and Everlasting Covenant He died to establish.

        I suppose that priest did not count on there being a Traditional Catholic in the group. Not that I know much about the faith but the New Covenant fulfilling and superseding the Old is rather elemental.

        With the rampant materialism, relativism, vaticantwoism permeating our culture, and high technology reaching inventions never known to man before, we find we have a new order Church filled with blind sheep that think they are Catholic and who accept every fable, absurdity and heresy that comes out of the mouth of their priests, bishops and popes as being de fide doctrine. Woe to the wolves in sheep’s clothing that lead such people astray. But woe as well to the sheep who allow themselves to be led astray through willful blindness. These sheep have some responsibility for their blindness though not as much responsibility as they would have had before the great apostasy ushered in by the aforementioned council.

        This new order priest, considered conservative and orthodox when compared to the typical new order priests also said something else that I found to be interesting. He said that the sin against the Holy Ghost is (plug your ears Professor Barfmen) "when you feel the Spirit moving inside you and you go against the direction He is moving you toward". And the people were sitting there nodding their heads and going “ohhhh” – as in “Really? How interesting!”

        I would say that I was beginning to wonder if I was in a Catholic bible study. But having already discovered what authentic Catholicism really was, I already knew that I was not in a Catholic bible study. This would be obvious to any 7-year old during the fifties. But it seems not to be obvious to the same 7-year old when he reaches his 50’s in the new millennium. What happened? Vatican II happened. Heretical “popes” happened. The great apostasy predicted by the Mother of God happened. This is what new order Catholics have to understand. They are not in the Catholic Church. They are not practicing the Catholic faith. They are not going to a Catholic Mass and they are not being taught Catholic doctrine. Present them with these facts and they do everything short of plugging their ears and sticking their tongue out at you. They just don’t want to hear it. Why do they not want to hear it? Because they will have to admit they have been wrong all these years? Because they will have to admit that they have forked over thousands of dollars to a farce? Because they will have to change their life and start traveling a bit further to go to a Catholic Mass? Because their New Order friends will look at them with head tilted like a perplexed dog?

        I would suggest they read Matthew 10:34-42 and start being more concerned about their souls and what God thinks than what their New Order friends think and start confronting and accepting reality for a change.

        Anyhew, since this new order priest felt the need to share his idea of this old covenant “expansion” with the people he is leading into hell with him please allow me to "expand" on his teaching of the sin against the Holy Ghost, which if true, would mean another heresy taught by all the pre-conciliar popes who taught quite differently regarding the sin against the Holy Ghost than this new order priest does and the last three conciliar “popes” do - for the pre-conciliar teachings were more along the lines of what Christ taught and if they disagree with the new “popes” they are the ones that must be wrong. I have no idea where this priest got his “expanded” explanation of the Old Covenant being expanded or the sin against the Holy Ghost being a gut feeling from. When I say I will "expand" on his teaching I am speaking facetiously - for what I will really do is discredit that false teaching and give you a summary of the Roman Catholic teaching.

        This sin against the Holy Ghost is the sin of despair or presumption which leads to final impenitence. The full teaching on the sin against the Holy Ghost is much more in depth but that is a summary of it.

        Ignorance does not damn a man but neither does it save him. Therefore it would behoove us to seek the truth available to us from the Roman Catholic Church which taught clearly before the council by studying the documents and Catechisms promulgated before that time. Culpable ignorance will not help us out. It must be invincible for us to be excused.

        I saved the following piece, though I am not sure where I got it from that explains aptly what I am trying to say regarding this novel “papal” teaching on the Old Covenant:

    It is rather obvious that all of these cardinals, placed by the pope on the highest commissions of ecumenism and relations with the Jews, are basing their opinions on the idea that the covenant God made specifically and only with the Jews is still in force, and that God is obligated by that covenant. Where is the source for this idea? It seems to come from none other than John Paul II himself, who said in a 1980 speech:
    The first dimension of this dialogue, that is, between the people of the Old Covenant, never revoked by God [Rom 11:29], and that of the New Covenant, is at the same time a dialogue within our church, that is to say, between the first and second parts of her Bible. Jews and Christians, as children of Abraham, are called to be a blessing to the world by committing themselves together for peace and justice among all men and peoples (emphasis mine).
    The interesting thing about the pope's statement is that he, or whoever inserted Romans 11:29 in brackets, misquotes and misconstrues the biblical verse. Romans 11:29 does not say that the Old Covenant is irrevocable, but only that the "gifts and call of God are irrevocable" (NAB). As St. Paul explains throughout Romans, the "gifts and call of God" are nothing less than the gospel of Jesus Christ, the very gospel that St. Paul says earlier in the chapter that only a remnant of Jews are presently accepting while the rest remained hardened in their blindness, even to this day (Rom. 11:5-14).

    Vatican II was careful enough to catch this distinction, when in footnoting Romans 11:28-29, recorded the verse correctly: "God does not take back the gifts he bestowed or the choice he made" (Nostra Aetate, 4). Accordingly, Vatican II never states that the "Old Covenant" has not been revoked. Even when Vatican II was emphasizing that the Hebrew Scriptures have "not been cancelled," the council referred to them by the words "Old Testament," not "Old Covenant" (Guidelines on Religious Relations with the Jews, II Liturgy) so as to specify that the ethical principles and prophetic messages of Scripture endured, but not to suggest that Judaism is still honored by God as a viable religion or that Moses' covenant is still in force. Moreover, when Vatican II spoke specifically about the Old Covenant it indicated that it was "concluded":

    The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the ancient covenant....Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, our peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles making both one in Himself.
        Thank you to whoever wrote the preceding. Due to my disturbance of personally witnessing a priest lead many well-intentioned people astray, I looked for verses that backed what the True Popes and all the Saints have believed on the topic and this is what I found from a man named Paul inspired by, oh, only the Holy Ghost:

    Hebrews 7:17-22: "For he testifieth: Thou art a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech. There is indeed a setting aside of the former commandment, because of the weakness and unprofitableness thereof: For the law brought nothing to perfection: but a bringing in of a better hope, by which we draw nigh to God. And inasmuch as it is not without an oath (for the others indeed were made priests without an oath: But this with an oath, by him that said unto him: The Lord hath sworn and he will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever). By so much is Jesus made a surety of a better testament."
    Hebrews 8:5-13: "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things. As it was answered to Moses, when he was to finish the tabernacle: See (saith he) that thou make all things according to the pattern which was shewn thee on the mount. But now he hath obtained a better ministry, by how much also he is a mediator of a better testament which is established on better promises. For if that former had been faultless, there should not indeed a place have been sought for a second. For, finding fault with them, he saith: Behold the days shall come, saith the Lord: and I will perfect, unto the house of Israel and unto the house of Juda, a new testament: Not according to the testament which I made to their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt: because they continued not in my testament: and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the testament which I will make to the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord: I will give my laws into their mind: and in their heart will I write them. And I will be their God: and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying: Know the Lord. For all shall know me, from the least to the greatest of them. Because I will be merciful to their iniquities: and their sins I will remember no more. Now in saying a new, he hath made the former old. And that which decayeth and groweth old is near its end."
    Hebrews 9:1-28: "The former indeed had also justifications of divine service and a sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made the first, wherein were the candlesticks and the table and the setting forth of loaves, which is called the Holy. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies: Having a golden censer and the ark of the testament covered about on every part with gold, in which was a golden pot that had manna and the rod of Aaron that had blossomed and the tables of the testament. And over it were the cherubims of glory overshadowing the propitiatory: of which it is not needful to speak now particularly. Now these things being thus ordered, into the first tabernacle, the priests indeed always entered, accomplishing the offices of sacrifices. But into the second, the high priest alone, once a year: not without blood, which he offereth for his own and the people's ignorance: The Holy Ghost signifying this: That the way into the Holies was not yet made manifest, whilst the former tabernacle was yet standing. Which is a parable of the time present: according to which gifts and sacrifices are offered, which cannot, as to the conscience, make him perfect that serveth, only in meats and in drinks, And divers washings and justices of the flesh laid on them until the time of correction. But Christ, being come an high Priest of the good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hand, that is, not of this creation: Neither by the blood of goats or of calves, but by his own blood, entered once into the Holies, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and of oxen, and the ashes of an heifer, being sprinkled, sanctify such as are defiled, to the cleansing of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who by the Holy Ghost offered himself unspotted unto God, cleanse our conscience from dead works, to serve the living God? And therefore he is the mediator of the new testament: that by means of his death for the redemption of those transgressions which were under the former testament, they that are called may receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament the death of the testator must of necessity come in. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is as yet of no strength, whilst the testator liveth. Whereupon neither was the first indeed dedicated without blood. For when every commandment of the law had been read by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people. Saying: This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. The tabernacle also and all the vessels of the ministry, in like manner, he sprinkled with blood. And almost all things, according to the law, are cleansed with blood: and without shedding of blood there is no remission. It is necessary therefore that the patterns of heavenly things should be cleansed with these: but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Jesus is not entered into the Holies made with hands, the patterns of the true: but into Heaven itself, that He may appear now in the presence of God for us. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the Holies every year with the blood of others: For then he ought to have suffered often from the beginning of the world. But now once, at the end of ages, he hath appeared for the destruction of sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment: So also Christ was offered once to exhaust the sins of many. The second time he shall appear without sin to them that expect him unto salvation."
        Notice that this is written to the HEBREWS which would seem odd if their Covenant had not been revoked or made void. The new order Catholic leaders also like to pretend that Saint Paul did not write the book of Hebrews which the True Church has always attributed as being the work of his hand.

        Calling all new order Catholics. Calling all new order Catholics. For the sake of your eternal soul please give up your willful blindness and drop the new Church like a hot peda-tato and join the True Church that has been with us from the beginning.

        That Church is composed of the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI and the INDEPENDENT (from Heretical Rome) churches and chapels that offer exclusively the True Mass, Sacraments and Doctrines of the True Church as decreed by those pre-conciliar popes whose very decrees rightly condemn as anathema what the post-conciliar popes have professed and preached. It's either or, you can't have both. So take your pick: is it the pre-conciliar teachings from Saint Peter and Paul through Pope Pius XII or the conciliar novelties of the 'popes' of the Vatican II era? Hint: Add up the fruits of the pre-conciliar and post-conciliar and balance them. What's that? No fruits from the latter? That should cinch it, shouldn't it?!! If you're not convinced yet, go to Matthew 7: 15-20. If that doesn't do it, then you are definitely prime fertilizer for the new order vineyard that has been withering and dying off the vine.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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