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Author Topic: The Novus Ordo Sect Excommunicates Fr. Frank Pavone  (Read 4359 times)

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Re: The Novus Ordo Sect Excommunicates Fr. Frank Pavone
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2022, 05:05:24 PM »

Re: The Novus Ordo Sect Excommunicates Fr. Frank Pavone
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2022, 05:58:31 PM »
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Novus Ordo Sect Excommunicates Fr. Frank Pavone
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2022, 09:19:28 AM »
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Unfortunately, this is a logically-flawed analysis.  So, he's arguing that Pavone has to submit to his bishop ... except that if he's been laicizied, he's no longer bound to obey his bishop.  Also, the communication floating out there did not bar Pavone from continuing to participate on Pro Life activities or to be associated with or to lead his group ... just to function as a priest.  As for whether he's continuing to function as a priest, it is admitted here that he's not been officially notified, and until that happens, there's no reason for him to cease funcitioning as a priest.  So I'm not sure what the point is here, but it's a logical hot mess.

As an aside, he falsely claimed that the Jesuits "obeyed" the suppression of their order.  They did not universally obey but continued operations in countries where the monarch was favorable to them, which is why they magically sprung back to life when the suppression was lifted.

Re: The Novus Ordo Sect Excommunicates Fr. Frank Pavone
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2022, 10:05:32 AM »
Mario was clear that ,assuming he was not informed,  he could act as a NO priest.

Ultimately his main argument of required obedience in past interactions with his Bishop still holds. 

Like I said here and there there is more to this story.

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Re: The Novus Ordo Sect Excommunicates Fr. Frank Pavone
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2022, 10:10:10 AM »
Mario was clear that ,assuming he was not informed,  he could act as a NO priest.

Ultimately his main argument of required obedience in past interactions with his Bishop still holds. 

Like I said here and there there is more to this story.

Kindof.  I see the point he's trying to make.  It's really a slam against R&R using the Pavone situation as his takeoff point.

But the logic is wrong.

#1) Since Pavone has not been informed of the charges, he's not really required yet to submit to the laicization (Mario admits this).

#2) Pavone insists he'll continue to work with Priests for Life, and Mario criticizes him for disobeying his bishop.  But if he's laicized, he's no longer under strict obedience to his bishop.  He's a layman, then, after all, and he's also released from the vows of obedience he would have made to his bishop.  Not to mention, the informal "ruling" against him does not prohibit him from continuing with his Pro Life activities ... (in fact it explicitly says it's not) ... at least in its current leaked form.

So he misses the mark on his analysis of the Pavone situation.  He also takes another absurd jab at Father Feeney.  Father Feeney had every right to speak out about the heresy he was fighting against, i.e. the overt heresy of Cushing and his Jesuit superiors.  In fact, by Mario's principles that heretics vacate their authority, Cushing was a non-bishop due to manifest heresy.  So Mario wants to have his SV cake and eat it too there.