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Re: The Maronite liturgy?
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2023, 10:55:47 AM »
There is a Maronite Catholic church in Fayetteville, St Michael the Archangel:

https://www.stmichaelsmaronite.net/
Yes, that's the one that sparked this thread on the Maronites. It would be convenient to me as a possible place for Mass, if valid.

Yes. And yes, they do have Novus Ordo clergy in some places.

Many NO clergy have faculties to serve in both rites.
Yes, they are doubtful and yes the Maronite ordinations are valid?? Or, did you mean they're overall valid?

Re: The Maronite liturgy?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2023, 01:49:18 PM »
Maronite orders are unquestionably valid. 

This does mean that technically, a Maronite priest could seek faculties from Rome to celebrate the Tridentine Rite and you would have a valid Latin Mass. Maybe it has happened before.


Re: The Maronite liturgy?
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2023, 02:13:22 PM »
Maronite orders are unquestionably valid.

This does mean that technically, a Maronite priest could seek faculties from Rome to celebrate the Tridentine Rite and you would have a valid Latin Mass. Maybe it has happened before.
Well, that's good to hear, praise God. I'll have to check it out once we're down there. From the videos I've watched it looks like a "reverent NOM" which is tolerable. It's not about me but the graces and worship of God anyway. If that's what I have immediately available, so be it.

Re: The Maronite liturgy?
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2023, 04:16:39 PM »
Yes, that's the one that sparked this thread on the Maronites. It would be convenient to me as a possible place for Mass, if valid.

I didn't look at the map.  Thanks.

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Re: The Maronite liturgy?
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2023, 05:32:38 PM »
I've written on the Maronites at length before.  As others have pointed out, of the Eastern Rites, they've always been the most "Romanized" ... for good, and now also for bad.  So, the changes they've implemented are mostly externals ... lay (female) readers, cantors, altar girls, altar in center, and Mass / Liturgy facing the people ... and a lot of their music is horrible.  With that said, their Sacraments are still valid, both Holy Orders and the others.  I knew a Maronite bishop in Cleveland and went to Confession to him once, and he gave me absolution using the full Traditional absolution form in Latin.  He didn't know at the time that I was Roman Rite.  Many Maronites studied in Rome.  They're a little bit less "standard" in that if you find a conservative or Traditional leaning Maronite, his Mass would very much resemble a Tridentine Rite Mass, whereas another might look externally closer to a NO clown Mass.  There was a Maronite priest in Chicago back in the 1980s who detested the modernizations, and was very friendly with SSPX, welcoming SSPX seminarians at his chapel there, and his Mass could have been mistaken for a Tridentine Latin Mass.  Thankfully, given their manner of distributing Holy Communion, you at least won't find Communion in the hand there.

As I said, they're valid, but you always have to be on the lookout for the occasional bi-ritual type or the transfer who had been ordained Novus Ordo (even Mitch Pacwa of EWTN does Maronite Liturgies, as does a former SSPX priest).

If it were my only or only reasonable option, I might go there to receive the Sacraments, perhaps float out in the vestibule until the Canon (Anaphora) to avoid the lay readers, etc.  They do still generally do the main consecration (essential form) in Aramaic, their traditional sacred language.