Author Topic: The Loyolas and the Cabots (Read 3173 times)

Petertherock · « **on:** May 01, 2015, 07:49:15 PM »

I am currently reading the book the Loyola's and the Cabot's as it is required reading for Third Order members of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. I have heard that the problems of Vatican II started long before the 1960s and this book illustrates that perfectly. The problems of VII started around the time of WWII. I have heard Fr. Feeney and the St. Benedict Center referred to as the original trads and I have to agree.

The recent modernist heresy began when Church officials ended the teaching of No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church. Forget about BOB or BOD as I'm not getting into that. The Church has always taught that outside of the Catholic Church, the Church which Christ Himself founded, there is no salvation. Fr. Feeney was censured for teaching this truth, this dogma of the Faith. Moreover, three teachers at Boston College were removed from their positions because they refused to teach heresy. Once this filth that started in Boston that there was salvation outside the Church, and teachings from the Bishop and Archbishop that even enemies of the Church could be saved that was the beginning of the end for the Church and the beginning of the new religion of VII.

Once the heretics were teaching in seminaries, the communists and the Masons and the Jєωs that was it. Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:57:43 PM »

Quote from: Petertherock

Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

I hear Father Feeney and those who believe like him called heretics by trads even more than the conciliar popes (or antipopes). They seem to hate his beliefs even more than those of Vatican II and the conciliar sect.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:03:01 PM »

Ah, you have learned well, grasshopper.

:geezer:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:04:02 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Petertherock
Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

I hear Father Feeney and those who believe like him called heretics by trads even more than the conciliar popes (or antipopes). They seem to hate his beliefs even more than those of Vatican II and the conciliar sect.

Indeed, Matto. Indeed.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:05:31 PM »

Quote from: Petertherock

The problems of VII started around the time of WWII.

I'd take it back much further, I'm afraid ... at least in many subtle ways.

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:34:15 PM »

Keep reading it Peter - that is the best written history of the whole mess that there is.

Quote from: The Loyolas and the Cabots

The strangest feature of this case is not, as might be commonly supposed, that some Boston Catholics were holding heresy and were being rebuked by their legitimate superiors. It is, rather, that these same Catholics were accusing their ecclesiastical superiors and academic mentors of teaching heresy, and as thanks for having been so solicitous were immediately suppressed by these same authorities on the score of being intolerant and bigoted. If history takes any note of this large incident (in what is often called the most Catholic city in the United States) it may interest historians to note that those who were punished were never accused of holding heresy, but only of being intolerant, unbroadminded and disobedient. It is also to be noted that the same authorities have never gone to the slightest trouble to point out wherein the accusation made against them by the “Boston group” is unfounded. In a heresy case usually a subject is being punished by his superior for denying a doctrine of his church. In this heresy case a subject of the Church is being punished by his superior for professing a defined doctrine.

JPaul · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:59:58 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Keep reading it Peter - that is the best written history of the whole mess that there is.

Quote from: The Loyolas and the Cabots

The strangest feature of this case is not, as might be commonly supposed, that some Boston Catholics were holding heresy and were being rebuked by their legitimate superiors. It is, rather, that these same Catholics were accusing their ecclesiastical superiors and academic mentors of teaching heresy, and as thanks for having been so solicitous were immediately suppressed by these same authorities on the score of being intolerant and bigoted. If history takes any note of this large incident (in what is often called the most Catholic city in the United States) it may interest historians to note that those who were punished were never accused of holding heresy, but only of being intolerant, unbroadminded and disobedient. It is also to be noted that the same authorities have never gone to the slightest trouble to point out wherein the accusation made against them by the “Boston group” is unfounded. In a heresy case usually a subject is being punished by his superior for denying a doctrine of his church. In this heresy case a subject of the Church is being punished by his superior for professing a defined doctrine.

Yes, the bird was already flying upside down at that point.

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2015, 10:00:59 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Petertherock
Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

I hear Father Feeney and those who believe like him called heretics by trads even more than the conciliar popes (or antipopes). They seem to hate his beliefs even more than those of Vatican II and the conciliar sect.

Could you give a couple examples of 'trads' who refer to Fr Feeney as a heretic..?

:detective:

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2015, 10:03:45 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Keep reading it Peter - that is the best written history of the whole mess that there is.

Quote from: The Loyolas and the Cabots

The strangest feature of this case is not, as might be commonly supposed, that some Boston Catholics were holding heresy and were being rebuked by their legitimate superiors. It is, rather, that these same Catholics were accusing their ecclesiastical superiors and academic mentors of teaching heresy, and as thanks for having been so solicitous were immediately suppressed by these same authorities on the score of being intolerant and bigoted. If history takes any note of this large incident (in what is often called the most Catholic city in the United States) it may interest historians to note that those who were punished were never accused of holding heresy, but only of being intolerant, unbroadminded and disobedient. It is also to be noted that the same authorities have never gone to the slightest trouble to point out wherein the accusation made against them by the “Boston group” is unfounded. In a heresy case usually a subject is being punished by his superior for denying a doctrine of his church. In this heresy case a subject of the Church is being punished by his superior for professing a defined doctrine.

MO is that After Boston Heresy Case by G Potter is the best history of 'the whole mess'.. :cheers:

Cantarella · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2015, 10:14:58 PM »

Quote from: Petertherock

I am currently reading the book the Loyola's and the Cabot's as it is required reading for Third Order members of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. I have heard that the problems of Vatican II started long before the 1960s and this book illustrates that perfectly. The problems of VII started around the time of WWII. I have heard Fr. Feeney and the St. Benedict Center referred to as the original trads and I have to agree.

The recent modernist heresy began when Church officials ended the teaching of No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church. Forget about BOB or BOD as I'm not getting into that. The Church has always taught that outside of the Catholic Church, the Church which Christ Himself founded, there is no salvation. Fr. Feeney was censured for teaching this truth, this dogma of the Faith. Moreover, three teachers at Boston College were removed from their positions because they refused to teach heresy. Once this filth that started in Boston that there was salvation outside the Church, and teachings from the Bishop and Archbishop that even enemies of the Church could be saved that was the beginning of the end for the Church and the beginning of the new religion of VII.

Once the heretics were teaching in seminaries, the communists and the Masons and the Jєωs that was it. Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

Very good, PetertheRock! :applause:

May Our Lord God and Our Lady bestow many blessings upon you.

PapalSupremacy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 02, 2015, 12:30:08 AM »

Quote from: Petertherock

The problems of VII started around the time of WWII.

No, they started in the 19th century, when the enemies of the Church began their infiltration of the seminaries, which St. Pius X noticed and warned about in Pascendi.

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I have heard Fr. Feeney and the St. Benedict Center referred to as the original trads

Only by the Feeneyites themselves. Their opinion and self-glorification are, however, ultimately irrelevant because no traditional Catholic considers them that, since they obstinately refuse Church doctrine.

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The recent modernist heresy began when Church officials ended the teaching of No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church. Forget about BOB or BOD as I'm not getting into that. The Church has always taught that outside of the Catholic Church, the Church which Christ Himself founded, there is no salvation. Fr. Feeney was censured for teaching this truth, this dogma of the Faith.

The modernist heresy started in the late 19th century, but the modernist crisis stared with Vatican II. Fr. Feeney was excommunicated for repeatedly refusing to comply with several summons to Rome. Hardly the actions of an innocent man.

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Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

Feeneyite propaganda is sickening to anyone who knows what exactly they are refusing (teachings of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the Church since at least the 4th century, and of the Extraordinary Magisterium of the Council of Trent), all in the name of supposedly guarding dogma. I am sure many people are wondering why Matthew is allowing such a disease of judging the Infallible Magisterium to practically take over this forum. We can conclude that either he thinks it is licit to be a Feeneyite (in which case he is leading souls astray), or he agrees with them (which would be even worse), or he has simply lost control, in which case he should consider using some of the means at his disposal as moderator and remember that the freedom of professing error has been condemned by the Church.

Stubborn · « **Reply #11 on:** May 02, 2015, 04:02:45 AM »

You need to click the link and do a little reading on what happened when +Cushing could no longer stand hearing from his non-Catholic friends about one of his priests who preached the dogma.

Don't be another one of +Cushing's stooges.

Stubborn · « **Reply #12 on:** May 02, 2015, 04:18:48 AM »

Quote from: roscoe

MO is that After Boston Heresy Case by G Potter is the best history of 'the whole mess'.. :cheers:

I never read that one, perhaps Peter will and post some of what it has to say.

The Loyolas and the Cabots, which docuмented pretty much everything, is an excellent read for anyone who wants to see what actually happened and why. It's sad to see how the enemy was already so well situated within the Church back then.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #13 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:40:59 AM »

Quote from: roscoe

Quote from: Matto
Quote from: Petertherock
Fr. Feeney was truly a Saint to defend the truths of the dogma of Extra ecclesiam nulla salus against the heretics that were teaching heresy in all the Catholic Colleges.

I hear Father Feeney and those who believe like him called heretics by trads even more than the conciliar popes (or antipopes). They seem to hate his beliefs even more than those of Vatican II and the conciliar sect.

Could you give a couple examples of 'trads' who refer to Fr Feeney as a heretic..?

:detective:

Half the people on CathInfo, my friend. Where have you been?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:44:52 AM »

Quote from: PapalSupremacy

Quote from: Petertherock
The problems of VII started around the time of WWII.

No, they started in the 19th century, when the enemies of the Church began their infiltration of the seminaries, which St. Pius X noticed and warned about in Pascendi.

Keep going. Even Bishop Williamson traces the problems to the Renaissance. There was a growing emphasis on the natural vs. the supernatural and a growing subjectivism in theology, spearheaded by the Jesuits. This led to a subtle but discernible trend towards Pelagianism which finally came to a full expression in Vatican II.