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there is only one possible conclusion left: The Vatican II Church is not -- cannot be -- the Roman Catholic Church.

. Taken from Novus Ordo Watch article above.

I can think of another possible conclusion.

Which is ?

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Maybe I wasn't obvious enough.  When He said there shall be great tribulation, can we surmise that being burdened with seemingly impossible doctrine from what would seem to be the Holy See might qualify as great tribulation?  If not, why not?  Are we guaranteed that something being called "canonization" from the Vatican is infallible?  Well, while canonizations have been considered to be infallible by modern theologians, why then is the Canonized Latin Mass being called second fiddle, behind a bastard Newmass which is nothing more than a concoction of a Freemason (Bugnini) and 6 Protestant 'ministers'?  How can an infallible Bull like Quo Primum be REMOVED from the frontispiece of every Newmissal and then start saying this bastard Newmass is the "Ordinary Rite" of the Roman Catholic Church?  

If they can say that, they can say other things, too.  And they have been saying that ever since Paul VI pretended he was promulgating a lie when it was all smoke and mirrors, IN FACT.  

Therefore, when it comes to the announced-ahead-of-time-Newconsecration of a pair of highly questionable revolutionaries, we have to take this in context of all the other rotten bilge-scuм of the past 54 years since the Third Secret should have been revealed but wasn't.  

Can we surmise that being burdened with seemingly impossible doctrine from what would seem to be the Holy See might qualify as great tribulation?  If not, why not?

What would be a greater tribulation than having our faith ostensibly shaken to the core?  Our Lord said,

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come..."

Has the Gospel not been preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations?  Is there any place on planet earth where the gospel has not been preached?  It wasn't preached in Japan for about 300 years, but then it returned.  St. Francis Xavier didn't make it to China, but there have been other priests who have made it to China.  The Aborigines of Australia have been visited by missioners.  Even the descendants of Fletcher Christian on Pitcairn Island have a so-called Christian church in their remote village next to the resting place of the H.M.S. Bounty and its mutinous survivors.  The Eskimos of Alaska have a bishop.  The gulags of Siberia have an occasional priest.  Good priests of the SSPX are sent to Antarctica to evangelize the penguins and to Africa to evangelize the baboons.  Where has there not been the Gospel preached?  I put it to you:  "nowhere."  

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come..."

Therefore, what does Scripture say that shall come to the world after the Gospel has been preached for a testimony to all nations?  The consummation?  And what is that?

"For there shall then be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.  And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved ;  but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened..."

The great tribulation cannot be separated from the consummation of the world.  But it can be distinguished.  The great tribulation comes first, then comes the consummation.  And don't forget, if it were too obvious, then no one would be caught unawares, but there are other Scriptures that say that MOST will be taken unawares, "like a thief in the night" (I Thes. v. 2, II Pet. iii. 10, cf. Mt. xxiv. 43, etc.), therefore, it WON'T be obvious to many.  Theologians have argued, well, if the Gospel is preached to the whole world, then how could the fulfillment of end times prophesies not be obvious?  We have a precedence for this, for when Our Lord came the first time, many of the Jews who knew the Scriptures inside out and backwards, did not believe.  He upbraided them for their incredulity.  Today, some would say that was not "charitable" but Our Lord is the perfect model of charity.  If we can't see that, then the problem is OURS, not Our Lord's charity.  Let him with eyes to see, see.  Let the reader understand.  

Can we surmise that being burdened with seemingly impossible doctrine from what would seem to be the Holy See might qualify as great tribulation?  If not, why not?

Those days shall be shortened because if they were not shortened, no flesh should be saved.  The first time, those days were shortened by a thing we call the Crucifixion on Good Friday.  Do you suppose this time it will be somehow different?  Behold I have told it to you, beforehand -- and I have died on the Cross to show you that I mean what I say.  "I am the way, the truth and the life" (Jn. xiv. 6, cf. John xviii. 37).

"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.  Behold I have told it to you, beforehand" (Matt. xxiv. 24-25).

What is a better example of a great sign and wonder and a FALSE CHRIST than the would-be Vatican Newcanonizing a pair of scoundrels?  

Can we surmise that being burdened with seemingly impossible doctrine from what would seem to be the Holy See might qualify as great tribulation?  If not, why not?

What, you want something more obvious, something like holograms in the sky like pay-per-view?  Well, perhaps your dreams will come true, but in the meantime, we have the Newcanonization of a pair of scoundrels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Like,,,,,,,,,,, as it were,,,,,,,,,,,


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Are we guaranteed that something being called "canonization" from the Vatican is infallible?  Well, while canonizations have been considered to be infallible by modern theologians, why then is the Canonized Latin Mass being called second fiddle, behind a bastard Newmass which is nothing more than a concoction of a Freemason (Bugnini) and 6 Protestant 'ministers'?  How can an infallible Bull like Quo Primum be REMOVED from the frontispiece of every Newmissal and then start saying this bastard Newmass is the "Ordinary Rite" of the Roman Catholic Church?

The Robber Council, the Bastard Rites, the Bastard Law, the Bastard Catechism and the pretended Canonizations are obviously not from the Church.

It's been clear to many for decades that the "Conciliar Church" was not the Catholic Church.

Come April 27th a few more souls will awake from their slumber... most of the R&R club will not.

While I can understand why you'd have taken this position, I cannot agree, because, perhaps you haven't considered this, but you are setting yourself up to pass judgment on a Council of the Church.  

Did you know that?  




BTW the canonization of the Traditional Latin Mass is over 400 years old, so I hope you don't think that's a 'bastard' canonization, too.  

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Canonization of Anti-Popes John Paul II, John XXIII by the reigning Anti-Pope to draw millions to Rome

http://nypost.com/2014/04/20/canonization-of-popes-john-paul-ii-john-xxiii-to-draw-millions-to-rome/

Easter services today are expected to kick off a record-breaking week at the Vatican.

Two beloved modern popes — John Paul II and John XXIII — are to be canonized at the Vatican next Sunday by Pope Francis.

There will be services all week, which could draw the most pilgrims ever to the Catholic capital.

John Paul II is remembered for helping to bring down communism and for inspiring a generation of Catholics. Many now call him “The Great,” only the fourth pope to have earned the moniker.

And while much of the crowd’s focus will be on the Polish pope’s remarkable achievements, Pope John XXIII — known as the “Good Pope” for his kindhearted nature — was no less revolutionary.

Pope Francis bypassed the second miracle typically required for canonization for John XXIII, declaring that he deserved the honor for having convened the Second Vatican Council.

Rome officials said they expected 3 million visitors in the city during the period from the Easter celebrations this weekend to the canonization next Sunday.

Nineteen heads of state and 24 prime ministers are expected to attend the canonization ceremony in St. Peter’s Square.

In line with Pope Francis’ no-frills papacy, organizers said the canonizations would be a much more sober affair than the three-day extravaganza that marked John Paul’s beatification, the last step before sainthood, in 2011.

Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said some churches would remain open overnight on the eve of the canonization to provide a spiritual retreat for pilgrims, “but not much else.”

Francis has long signaled his support for making a saint of John Paul II, whose funeral nine years ago saw mourners chant, “Santo subito [Saint now]!”

In his 2005 testimony to officials responsible for the sainthood cause, Francis, then Jorge Mario Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos Aires, praised John Paul’s approach to death as “heroic”: John Paul considered stepping down as pope but chose to serve until his death.

“John Paul II taught us, by hiding nothing from others, to suffer and to die, and that, in my opinion, is heroic,” said Bergoglio at the time.

In Honour of St. Peter Canisius' Feast Day April 27th.

An absolutely beautiful prayer translated yesterday from German by a dear friend as a little tribute to that great Saint and Apostle whose Feastday will be desecrated by apostate rome.
 

PRAYER OF SAINT PETER CANISIUS TO THE GUARDIAN ANGELS

Heavenly Spirits, servants of God, the proud, envious, obstinate and cunning evil spirits have conspired for our damnation. And so we call upon your assistance, that this great number of overweening, sly and powerful adversaries may neither in life nor in death be victorious over us.

Stand by us, Holy Angels, day and night, and fight faithfully for us in this perpetual warfare. Especially I appeal to that holy Angel to whom I have been entrusted by the goodness of God.

I ask thee to lead me in my blindness, teach me in my ignorance, strengthen me in my weakness, protect me in my unworthiness, lead me back when I stray, spur me on when lazy, awaken me when I sleep, help me when I walk.

Most especially assist me in that last, hard battle against the evil spirits, which stands before me at the hour of my death, that there may be for me a happy outcome, so that my soul after the accomplished victory may in the fellowship of the Holy Angels joyfully sing: “The snare is broken and we are delivered”   (Ps. 123, 7)

Holy Mary, Queen of Angels, send Thy faithful servants upon this earth that they may thrust the hellish powers back into the darkness, in order that so many mortals who are trapped in the net of Satan may be freed and in the light of Mercy may be lead to Thy Divine Son.

AMEN  
 

Just 2 more days!

If something happens on or before Sunday, we're going to need the 5 G's.

God, gold, guns, grains, ground.

To explain further:

God: Being right with God, being in the state of grace, having good religious books, sacramentals, etc. in your possession

Gold: Precious metals and other material things that will be worth their weight in gold after a collapse scenario. This includes practical items like shovels, seeds, lumber, concrete blocks, gasoline, diesel, rope, etc.

Guns: Weapons to defend yourself, your family, and your stuff from the desperate, wild hordes (who will not be bound by any sort of morality) who didn't prepare at all. If you think "I'll just be passive and peaceful", I'll just say one word that will cause you to go out and buy some serious guns: Rape. Would you be able to stand by and helplessly watch while your wife, sister(s), mother, or daughter(s) got raped? Neither would I.

Grains: Food and water, and the means to produce more of these. Gardening equipment would fall in here.

Ground: A piece of land where you can ride out the worst of it -- preferably outside the city. Also a place to grow food, even if it's not huge.

I'm surprised that anyone would think God is going to take action before Sunday.  

What are people going to do AFTER the canonizations? Lose your faith?  Become a protestant? Just curious.

I'm not going to do anything.

I'm just curious to see what will happen. Will there be any "signs" like there were at JP2's funeral? (Strong winds closing the Gospels book on his coffin, and extinguishing candles -- like a traditional excommunication) Will something much worse happen?

It's possible, so I'm waiting to see what will happen.

If nothing happens, I haven't staked my faith on it or anything like that. I'm completely prepared for the whole thing to go off without a hitch. But the future hasn't happened yet, and so it's purely an interesting possibility for me.