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"A Wicked Council... The Church will Bleed from all Her Wounds"
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2012, 02:23:53 PM »
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    I did read from a source that Pope Pius XII did read the Third Secret, and
    after reading the secret, he almost passed out. However, he did not reveal
    in what he read.




    Interesting.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #16 on: November 13, 2012, 02:25:41 PM »
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    I think that starting some time in 2025


    Do you even think we'll make it to 2016?

    I have not felt so leary about the future in my entire life.  Of course the further back I go the less I know.  Ignorance can be bliss, kind of sort of.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #17 on: November 13, 2012, 02:27:36 PM »
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    It would take an Act of God for the Third Secret to be revealed now.  The modernists have had forty years and four popes to destroy any existing copies.  I think that starting some time in 2025 or so, all talk of a Third Secret will cease in novus ordo circles and the n.o. priests will stop referring to Fatima except in very vague ways and even redacted ways.  

    When was the last time you heard a novus ordo priest or apologist talk of Lourdes?  Or Our Lady of La Salette?  Or even Our Lady?  I never heard a sermon on Our Lady until I discovered Tradition.  I always sat there and wondered why I felt so much love for her but never heard her mentioned in mass.    

    By not bringing Fatima up, they fully expect Fatima to fade in the memories of the novus ordo faithful.  The modernists have a good point there, most novus ordites think the latin mass was a latin version of their lutheran services that the watch, in person, every Sunday.  

    I think that the extreme vagueness of "novus ordo religious education" is a deliberate action.  The purpose is for the students to become completely unaware of a Catholic Faith that people in the past were willing to die for instead of betray.  Students not introduced to Tradition and the Catechism and the great writings of the Saints are unlikely to discover them on their own and, if by chance they try, they may come across the Paulist Press which, I kid you not, offers St. Francis de Sales "The Introduction to the Devout Life" but touts that they "updated it for the modern reader.  Did mankind go through some seismic biological change in 1965 disintegrating mankind into pre-modern and modern?  

    A poorly educated novus ordite may wonder why he's so bored at "mass" but he generally does not have the acuity to pinpoint his problem.  If he speaks with a novus ordo priest or some layperson at his parish they probably will just say that he has to be obedient or recommend that he attend a novus ordo retreat.  Eventually, he may actually decide that his "heart" isn't mean to be a "practicing" Catholic.  That's probably the fate of the largest group of Catholics post-Vatican II, the ones who saw the changes and said "Whatever, dude" then they walked away and maybe only come back on Christmas and Easter.



    Nice post BTW!
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2012, 02:35:06 PM »
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    A poorly educated novus ordite may wonder why he's so bored at "mass" but he generally does not have the acuity to pinpoint his problem. If he speaks with a novus ordo priest or some layperson at his parish they probably will just say that he has to be obedient or recommend that he attend a novus ordo retreat. Eventually, he may actually decide that his "heart" isn't mean to be a "practicing" Catholic. That's probably the fate of the largest group of Catholics post-Vatican II, the ones who saw the changes and said "Whatever, dude" then they walked away and maybe only come back on Christmas and Easter.


    Most incisive.  I was that novus ordite precisely.  There were no trad Masses for hundreds of miles in the neighborhood where I grew up, so I just hadn't a clue about "tradition", and had the exact experience you describe.   But it wasn't so much boredom, as yearning.  Changing parishes, talking to the priests, never helped and yes, I was often referred to either an n.o. retreat or their group bible study groups, or invited to join a "ministry".   It's best described as, I didn't know what I was searching for, but I knew what they were practicing was wrong, and sometimes awful.
    That n.o. cabal isolate the faithful from tradition so effectively it's diabolical.

    I moved from that region, still unaware of the Tridentine rite. One sad Easter 10 years ago, at the n.o. version of a Vigil Mass, as  I kneeled after communion and cell phones rang around me, the woman in front of me tugging on her very tight and very short skirt in an unsuccessful attempt to cover herself, children laughing and playing in the aisles, with one running up to the altar (communion still being distributed), and incessant talking as I tried to offer thanksgiving, I hit the wall, broke down and cried.  It was that moment I knew I could not ever go back, but what to do?  I could not become protestant, this was certain.  The anguish was tormenting!
    God mercifully heard my heartbroken plea - do not let me be confounded, Lord!  He allowed me to stumble upon a traditional independent chapel in the area, one of the few with daily Mass, 4 on Sunday, and devotions several times a week.  Imagine my surprise to find that the Faith was still alive and well in little pockets around the world.  

    The yearning has not ceased, it has in fact increased, not from deprivation as before, but in the bliss of moving closer to His Sacred Heart.  Life is now joyful.


    Wow!  I was from the Arlington diocese where many of the presiders were sound morally and as good liturgically as the NO would let them be.  I saw a staunch difference when I travelled.  Perhaps if the Arlington Diocese was worse I would have become traditional sooner.

    Don't get me wrong.  There were plenty of bad Priests in the Arlington diocese but I stayed away from them and their services.  A "priest" there got severely punished for blowing the whistle on a sɛҳuąƖly deviant "priest".

    The NO "bishops" act like the masons when they cover-up each other's crimes.  Maybe they are masons.  They think and act like them.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church