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Offline Alexandria

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« on: October 02, 2010, 05:57:14 PM »
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    • I don't know a thing about this, but in my vast reading have come across the John Birch Society and their connection with traditional chapels in the United States numerous times.

    I know that the JBS was a communist controlled "resistance" organization but beyond that I know next to nothing other than Fr. Clarence Kelley writing a book either about them or dedicated to them in the early 1970s.  

    Does anyone here know anything?
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    Offline Robert de Brus

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    « Reply #1 on: October 02, 2010, 05:58:41 PM »
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    • Their current President is a SSPX-goer.  They are a shadow of what they once were;  National Review and that clique claimed to have 'excommunicated' them from conservatism.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 02, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Robert de Brus
    Their current President is a SSPX-goer.  They are a shadow of what they once were;  National Review and that clique claimed to have 'excommunicated' them from conservatism.


    Thank you, but what I want to get to the bottom of is their connection with traditional chapels.    If the John Birch Society was set up as the controlled opposition, what does that say for traditional chapels and their support of the JBS?
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    « Reply #3 on: October 02, 2010, 06:03:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Alexandria
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    Their current President is a SSPX-goer.  They are a shadow of what they once were;  National Review and that clique claimed to have 'excommunicated' them from conservatism.


    Thank you, but what I want to get to the bottom of is their connection with traditional chapels.    If the John Birch Society was set up as the controlled opposition, what does that say for traditional chapels and their support of the JBS?


    The way the establishment mercilessly hammered them in the 60s (doesnt happen by accident) I would have a hard time believing they are controlled opposition.

    I've never known of any connection to chapels.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 02, 2010, 06:07:10 PM »
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    • Forgive me, I know you are new here, but I am not interested in party line answers.  I am not fingering the SSPX, so be at ease.  

    I saw a spirited discussion of this on another forum that was locked.  I thought, since CathInfo is far more tolerant than others, it would be good to get to the truth.  

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    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2010, 06:23:59 PM »
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    • My understanding is that Robert Welch sold his candy company to Rockinfella and was then made head of the controlled opposition JBS.

    I believe Spellman, Cohn and Hoover were all close to JBS as well. Spellman is the conduit whereby Cohn and maybe even Jules Issaacs become involved in Church affairs.

    It would be interesting to know if Joe Welch was related to Robert in some other way besides a freemasonic connection.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2010, 06:30:56 PM »
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    • Are you talking about Roy Cohn?

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    « Reply #7 on: October 02, 2010, 06:49:05 PM »
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    • Yes and for those not aware, he is( was)  the uncle of Dick Morris.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 02, 2010, 07:08:31 PM »
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    Yes and for those not aware, he is( was)  the uncle of Dick Morris.


    I met him once in the 70s (Roy Cohn, not Dick Morris).  He was an interesting little man with many connections.  I wish I had known then what I know now.
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    « Reply #9 on: October 02, 2010, 07:29:56 PM »
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    • IMO, the JBS are controlled opposition:  they mix truth with lies, and people naively think they are 'conservatives' whose aim is to get back to 'Constitutional' government.  They are not an organization for true Catholics to be involved with.  And I would suspect, extrapolating from my own limited experience, that there are many people in traditional chapels who are being led down the river road by them.

    Specifically, (1) their founder Robert Welch always denied that the conspiracy they talk about was in any sense a Jєωιѕн conspiracy; (2) they know what side their bread is buttered on and are highly pro-Zionist, completely minimizing the threat from that quarter.  They even made apologies and cried crocodile tears for poor Jonathan Pollard, wasting away in prison merely for having spied for our ally Israel; (3) they are always talking Ludwig von Mises/Austrian school economics, which is  the delight of the filthy rich corporate CEOs, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds -- and not at all congruent with Catholic social justice.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 07:34:42 PM »
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    • I bet Pollard is in some country club min security joint-- if he's even in goal.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 07:34:58 PM »
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    • Innocenza, thank you.

    I've known people from every kind of traditional chapel (SSPV, CMRI, SSPX) who have had, at one time or another, connections with this organization.  
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    « Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 11:21:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Alexandria


    I know that the JBS was a communist controlled "resistance" organization but beyond that I know next to nothing other than Fr. Clarence Kelley writing a book either about them or dedicated to them in the early 1970s.  

    Does anyone here know anything?


    What convinced you they are a phoney resistance org?  

    They are very plentiful in some chapels.  
    If what you have concluded is true, it might explain a lot.
    I don't know much about them but would be very interested to learn more.  One reason I don't know more is that they don't like answering questions about it.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 03, 2010, 12:28:03 AM »
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    « Reply #14 on: October 03, 2010, 02:36:36 PM »
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    • Alexandria,

    I tried to send you a PM -- a forward from our mutual friend on the JBS subject -- but I got the message you were not accepting PMs.  Perhaps you will contact me about this.

    Regards,
    Janet C.
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