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innocenza · « **Reply #105 on:** November 18, 2010, 06:52:03 PM »

All questions are questions of religion. You cannot compartmentalize reality. (Even that sellout, the NJ lawyer Ferrara, has so stated.)

Any kind of activity that disguises or masks or distracts from our acknowledgment of this central truth is BAD, and ultimately leads nowhere but to our own destruction.

This is what operations like the JBS want to do, and have had great success in doing.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #106 on:** November 18, 2010, 07:15:11 PM »

Quote from: innocenza

All questions are questions of religion. You cannot compartmentalize reality. (Even that sellout, the NJ lawyer Ferrara, has so stated.)

Any kind of activity that disguises or masks or distracts from our acknowledgment of this central truth is BAD, and ultimately leads nowhere but to our own destruction.

This is what operations like the JBS want to do, and have had great success in doing.

Very well put.

Whenever, in a common enterprise with unbelievers, the Faith is shoved to the backburner, it eventually calls into question our commitment to our Faith. It tends to lead to a kind of masonic style of indifferentism. Particularly in an organization that deals with very serious matters pertaining to history and the organization of the world, and politics objectives related to morality.

Alexandria · « **Reply #107 on:** November 18, 2010, 07:33:45 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: innocenza
All questions are questions of religion. You cannot compartmentalize reality. (Even that sellout, the NJ lawyer Ferrara, has so stated.)

Any kind of activity that disguises or masks or distracts from our acknowledgment of this central truth is BAD, and ultimately leads nowhere but to our own destruction.

This is what operations like the JBS want to do, and have had great success in doing.

Very well put.

Whenever, in a common enterprise with unbelievers, the Faith is shoved to the backburner, it eventually calls into question our commitment to our Faith. It tends to lead to a kind of masonic style of indifferentism. Particularly in an organization that deals with very serious matters pertaining to history and the organization of the world, and politics objectives related to morality.

Tele's comment is what I meant when I wrote that it is worse in the novus ordo - neutralizing.

Dawn · « **Reply #108 on:** November 18, 2010, 08:12:13 PM »

I know what you mean. If you speak of the heresy of Americanism you are called mean spirited. If you call someone a New-Con you are labeling and hateful. If you point out that someone like Spellman was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and THIS DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE STATE OF THE NOVUS TODAY, you are a hate monger.
Yes, Maurice mentioned that the JBS helps to neutralize the Gospel. So, that all that is left is a bunch of programmed namby pambies running around stating that love is the answer. Well, Love is the answer and that is the perfect love of Christ. But, the watering down part comes in when they dwell on that and forget God is perfect justice as well. You see, they hate that pesty idea that they must convert to the True Faith.
And, that is why I say again the most dangerous persons around are those that call themselves Traditional Catholics but spread the truth with a nice dose of poison.

Thorn · « **Reply #109 on:** November 18, 2010, 10:43:31 PM »

Since Alex Jones neglects to push for the Social Reign of Christ the King in his reporting, according to Dawn we can't listen to him, anymore than we can listen to the voting record of Congressmen at the JBS.
No need to reply to this. It's a rhetorical statement if you will.
I realize what the retort should be, but just wanted to show how frustrating this whole discussion has been.

I think Dawn meant Neo-Con.

Dawn · « **Reply #110 on:** November 19, 2010, 05:32:14 AM »

Neo is a prefix signaling a "new" form or a revival of an old one.

Thank you to Thorn for showing us just what type of persons JBS helps form.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #111 on:** November 19, 2010, 06:54:36 AM »

Quote from: Thorn

Since Alex Jones neglects to push for the Social Reign of Christ the King in his reporting, according to Dawn we can't listen to him, anymore than we can listen to the voting record of Congressmen at the JBS.

I don't think anyone said to disregard what the JBS says- just to realize that its objectives and organization are not Catholic.

Belloc · « **Reply #112 on:** November 19, 2010, 08:08:51 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Thorn
Since Alex Jones neglects to push for the Social Reign of Christ the King in his reporting, according to Dawn we can't listen to him, anymore than we can listen to the voting record of Congressmen at the JBS.

I don't think anyone said to disregard what the JBS says- just to realize that its objectives and organization are not Catholic.

True, both JBS and Alex Jones can have elements of truth in their work and Jones is at least good exposing many things going on, the solution and where to go with that is of course, for the Catholic, Social Reign......

Alexandria · « **Reply #113 on:** November 19, 2010, 12:14:01 PM »

Thorn, two days ago you wrote this:

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Alexandria, I don't want to start another thread because I've said all I'm going to say about the JBS.

Why are you still here?

innocenza · « **Reply #114 on:** November 19, 2010, 09:05:25 PM »

Dawn, Alexandria -- :applause:

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #115 on:** January 26, 2011, 04:12:01 AM »

This is a very interesting thread. I am curious about the answers to the central topic of this thread.

Both "Construction Workers" and "Christ-Deniers-Social-Revolutionaries" do things secretly by stages.

That means they would have many organizations pushing forward different plans from their agenda.

Obviously, JBS did move (or tried to move) the Traditionalist Movement from a Point A to a Point B. Once they achieved this, or once their cover was exposed, they morphed into something different.

Now, they probably push another plan from their Agenda, someone mentioned it relates more to Mormons today.

This Question is very important, and we, Traditional Catholics, need clear answers.

There was an infiltration, yes. What did they achieve?

We need to know...

Are we being infiltrated by another group like the Former-JBS today?

We must be vigilant.

I am putting an Ignore on Thorn. Thanks to everybody else.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #116 on:** January 26, 2011, 10:31:09 AM »

I think as long as we have Trads obsessed with Dogmatic Constitutionalism or GOP fandom, an "infiltraition" of this variety isnt that big of a deal. It only works to secure their gains by keeping the obstinate or dimwitted busy.

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #117 on:** January 27, 2011, 11:22:22 AM »

I have a question, and I don't want anybody to get offended with it.

Are there any parallels between:

A) The relationship or influence that JBS might have had over the Traditionalist Catholic Movement, and...

B) The relationship or influence that the Knights of Columbus might have had over Novus Ordo Catholicism?

I just need your opinions, thanks in advance.

DT.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #118 on:** January 27, 2011, 11:51:34 AM »

From what I have gleaned by reading Randy Engel, it looks as if some American bishops in the Collective have done more harm than almost anyone.

As far as I can tell, the Knights of Columbus had a good, anti-mason beginning. The gradual modernism, and hot spots of trouble, would occur as a result of the corruption of the US Bishops (can't remember-USSCB? )

I think there may be more problem with white supremist groups that JBS--unless they are also into that philosophy?

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #119 on:** January 27, 2011, 05:55:08 PM »

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I think there may be more problem with white supremist groups that JBS--unless they are also into that philosophy?

I haven't heard or read anywhere about the possibility of the JBS hierarchy being involved with any kind of white-supremacy. Unless anything surfaces that favors the idea, I wouldn't consider it and just stick with the known facts.

A number of the people I met from there didnt seem too fond of the Spanish (for obvious reasons). lol