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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2010, 08:22:51 PM »
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    Their goals are to get us out of the UN & to have less government & more individual responsibility!!  That's bad?!



    Those goals aren't bad, the problem is the JBS isn't Catholic.  
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    « Reply #31 on: November 14, 2010, 08:25:44 PM »
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    Their goals are to get us out of the UN & to have less government & more individual responsibility!!  That's bad?!


    It's not exactly anything original. It sounds like George Putnam from 15 yrs ago-- just hot air.
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    « Reply #32 on: November 14, 2010, 08:31:50 PM »
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    re secretive networks in churches - I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

    They write & talk about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ all the time!!

    Just as not all Catholics belong to the NO, not all Jєωs are connected to the conspiracy and there are non-Jєωs in the conspiracy as well.



    I have their reprint of "Proofs of a Conspiracy" since it was missing and never replaced at our university library.  Interesting they don't discuss John Quincy Adams Book on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. (which isn't in our university library, but an old copy published in Cincinnati at the time th book came out is at the diocesan seminary!)  This cut and paste, with some text cut, corresponds to what is in their "Americanist Classics" Proofs of a Conspiracy:

     
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      "Robison, a former Mason himself, found that 'this impunity [from authority by maintaining the Masonic rule of secrecy] had gradually encouraged men of licentious principles to become more bold, and to teach doctrines subversive of all our notions of morality.' Let us be quick to say that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in England, America and elsewhere has historically, and today is, quite another kind and its members characterized by high standards of morality and spirituality...
        "The true purpose of the [Illuminati] Order was to rule the world. To achieve this it was necessary for the Order to destroy all religions, overthrow all governments, and abolish private property...This is exactly what the Communists have been doing since 1848! Please note that Robison makes it clear that the Illuminati Order was quite distinct and separate from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ...[the] conspiracy [was] conceived not by Masons as Masons, but by evil men using Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ as a vehicle for their own purposes...In the realm of ideology, certainly the line from the Illuminati Order to the Communist Manifesto is straight and unbroken...
       "Let it be stressed that the present publication of Robison's work is not intended to open old wounds or create new animosity or distrust toward Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, whose adherents today certainly number among our staunchest patriots and anti-Communists... The conspirators have long since discarded Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ as their vehicle. If clever conspirators could use - of all groups - so fine a group as the Masons, we must open our minds to consider what infinite possibilities are available to them in our own present day society. Their main habitat these days seems to be the great subsidized universities, tax-free foundations, mass media communications, governmental bureaus such as the State Department, and a myriad of private organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations..."


    http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html

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    « Reply #33 on: November 14, 2010, 09:16:00 PM »
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    • Telesphorus - I'll see if I have 'Proofs of a Conspiracy' & find that quote.  Meanwhile let me go out on a limb here & say that I think what he meant was that the present day Masons are probably as ignorant of the conspiracy [as the present day NO Catholics are on the true teachings of the church] & therefore are not part of the conspiracy.  They just go merrily on their way helping crippled children & other philanthropic things and are in it for the brotherhood.

    Yes, the JBS isn't Catholic but neither are the Toastmasters.  This means I can't join?!  Tell me a Catholic organization that does what the JBS tries to do in informing voters & I may join.  
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    « Reply #34 on: November 14, 2010, 09:18:14 PM »
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    Yes, the JBS isn't Catholic but neither are the Toastmasters.  This means I can't join?!  Tell me a Catholic organization that does what the JBS tries to do in informing voters & I may join.  


    I don't know.  I just have reservations about them.
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    « Reply #35 on: November 14, 2010, 09:37:58 PM »
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    • Roscoe, almost everything you post is wrong & you're starting to irritate me.

    It was the JBS that first sounded the alarm about the UN & not Mr. Putnam.  Truth is hot air?  What's with you?

    You are correct in their material from the 90's on being practically worthless, but that's when the infighting started & they went downhill.  When I write of the JBS, I write of what they were when I was a member in the 70's & 80's.
    I did hear of the possibility of McDonald surviving but that was just thrown out as a POSSIBILITY as the news was very scanty regarding that crash.  So you didn't buy it. Who cares?  It's neither here nor there. I don't remember anything being said that he was related to Patton.  McDonald was a Baptist.

    I think that henceforth you need to quote sources for what you say & that might keep you on a straight path instead of just posting made up stuff.
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    « Reply #36 on: November 14, 2010, 10:07:56 PM »
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    • George all the time played a clip of him speaking to a crowd about 1960 and in no uncertain terms pushing for a US pullout from the UN. He picked up on it about the same time as JBS.  The truthfullness of the matter is not imp in this case as any one of a million neo-cons will tell Some of it and BWM re : the UN

    This is old news and is evidence of nothing.

    Their New Am Magazine published articles on KAL 007 and I believe JBS is hiding the truth about what happened. Sorry if U are not interested and if I am irritating.

    I wasn't sure about his religion and I cannot remember the source on the Patton story offhand.

    I am not aware of making anything up.
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    « Reply #37 on: November 14, 2010, 10:51:20 PM »
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    • Telesphorus, if you don't know anything & have reservations with absolutely no proof, then the better part of valor would be to keep your reservations to yourself & not malign a person or organization founded for the purpose of bettering this poor world, don'tcha think?  So it isn't perfect.  Name one human institution that is. Why, posters here are finding fault with even a divinely instituted organization!!!   What hope have we?
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    « Reply #38 on: November 14, 2010, 11:08:36 PM »
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    • Honestly Roscoe,  - the JBS is hiding the truth??!!!  They weren't doing the investigation!!  They wanted the truth!  Hiding what truth?  How?  What part did the major media play?  

     evidence of nothing?  What does that mean?

    'a clip of him' - Who's him?  McDonald?  So?

     The truthfulness of the matter is not important?  

    Are you all right?  You're not making sense.
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    « Reply #39 on: November 14, 2010, 11:09:14 PM »
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    Telesphorus, if you don't know anything & have reservations with absolutely no proof, then the better part of valor would be to keep your reservations to yourself & not malign a person or organization founded for the purpose of bettering this poor world, don'tcha think?


    It's a secretive, religiously indifferent organization that says Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a okay and talks about conspiracy theory without mentioning Jєωs.

    I am completely justified in having reservations.  You know, when I was an NO altar boy, the priest told me I should join the JBS.  I took an interest in the JBS and think they have done good works.  But the fact remains they do not support the Reign of Christ the King.  I have been told their members organize in traditional parishes.  I have a problem with a non-Catholic organization doing that.  And yes, they are secretive, denying they are secretive is a hallmark of secrecy!
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    « Reply #40 on: November 14, 2010, 11:38:26 PM »
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    • To be clear-- the above should read .... George played a clip of HIMSELF.......

    The truth is that KAL 007 was blown up over the Sea of Japan and with it Cong Mc Donald. Reagen didn't even go to the funeral.

    Mo is that it means very little if somebody wants out of the UN. This is Conspiracy research that is 60 yrs old. Give us some Beef!!
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    « Reply #41 on: November 14, 2010, 11:39:43 PM »
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    Honestly Roscoe,  - the JBS is hiding the truth??!!!  They weren't doing the investigation!!  They wanted the truth!  Hiding what truth?  How?  What part did the major media play?  

     evidence of nothing?  What does that mean?

    'a clip of him' - Who's him?  McDonald?  So?

     The truthfulness of the matter is not important?  

    Are you all right?  You're not making sense.
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    « Reply #42 on: November 14, 2010, 11:40:52 PM »
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    To be clear-- the above should read .... George played a clip of HIMSELF.......

    The truth is that KAL 007 was blown up over the Sea of Japan and with it Cong Mc Donald. Reagen didn't even go to the funeral.

    Mo is that it means very little if somebody wants out of the UN. This is Conspiracy research that is 60 yrs old. Give us some Beef!!
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    « Reply #43 on: November 14, 2010, 11:49:23 PM »
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    • Telesphorus - The Toastmasters are religiously indifferent too & do good work but on a different plane.  How this equates to being bad I can't compute.  Sorry.

    They do not say that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is good.  Prove that statement.

    As I pointed out, they do not mention Jєωs in the conspiracy because some Jєωs are not involved and there are Gentiles involved as well.

    Just because they don't mention the Social Reign of Christ the King, doesn't mean that they are opposed to it either.  I've not read of you pushing for the Reign of Christ the King either so what's your problem?

    Have your reservations but don't spout them in public as if they were fact.

    You have been told that they organize in trad parishes?  By whom?  What proof please.  Is this against some law?  I'm not saying that they do or don't.  I never heard of this but they organize all over the place.  What damage are they supposedly doing to these parishes?  Are you saying that they are taking over the parishes or what?  Have you gone to any of these meetings to see what's going on for yourself or are you saying that you've tried but they're secretive & so can't get in?  When I was a Bircher we'd go out beating the bushes to get people to come to our meetings so I just don't get this secrecy business.

    For the umpteenth time.  They.  Are.  Not.  Secretive.  Prove this.

    In the meantime I hate to do this to you but you forced me to offer you a gorgeous bridge that spans the East River in New York City.  I'm convinced you're the perfect person for it.
    Sorry, but what else can be said after what you yourself just wrote.


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    « Reply #44 on: November 14, 2010, 11:54:12 PM »
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    • Roscoe, you're still not making sense.  We are still in the UN.
     It means little to get out of it??!  You're hopeless.  Good nite.
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