Author Topic: THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY (Read 18852 times)

roscoe · « **Reply #45 on:** November 15, 2010, 12:18:30 AM »

:wine-drinking: :smoke-pot:

roscoe · « **Reply #46 on:** November 15, 2010, 12:41:24 AM »

Herr Torn-- Do U believe that E rev around S?

innocenza · « **Reply #47 on:** November 15, 2010, 05:43:58 AM »

Amen, Roscoe, except that I think Thorn is a lady.

Belloc · « **Reply #48 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:10:40 AM »

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Their current President is a SSPX-goer. They are a shadow of what they once were; National Review and that clique claimed to have 'excommunicated' them from conservatism.

some things with JBS are good, have a video that was so-so until mid way, when it turned very pro-Capitalist (condemned) and Americanist (condemned)

even in SSPX circles, there are problems with this, though many leaders of SSPX in past were pro-Distributist and anti-Nationalistic......

Belloc · « **Reply #49 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:18:58 AM »

Quote from: Thorn

Their goals are to get us out of the UN & to have less government & more individual responsibility!! That's bad?!

in itself, no-but hte individual responsibility thing is a long motto of conservatives/libertarians, but it is vague and has roots in Enlightenment...we have liberty in Christ and His Church....free to do what we ought, but the term is used often by those groups as an end to itself or vaguely defined.....

Belloc · « **Reply #50 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:21:09 AM »

Quote from: Thorn

Tell me a Catholic organization that does what the JBS tries to do in informing voters & I may join.

why join, maybe should start a group...take some time, effort, initiative,beut would be worth it....Pope Leo XIII warned as did others after him about joining non-Catholic groups, can be a fine and thin line there....hence Leo called for Catholic Action and Catholic unions,etc....

Belloc · « **Reply #51 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:22:35 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

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Telesphorus, if you don't know anything & have reservations with absolutely no proof, then the better part of valor would be to keep your reservations to yourself & not malign a person or organization founded for the purpose of bettering this poor world, don'tcha think?

It's a secretive, religiously indifferent organization that says Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a okay and talks about conspiracy theory without mentioning Jєωs.

I am completely justified in having reservations. You know, when I was an NO altar boy, the priest told me I should join the JBS. I took an interest in the JBS and think they have done good works. But the fact remains they do not support the Reign of Christ the King. I have been told their members organize in traditional parishes. I have a problem with a non-Catholic organization doing that. And yes, they are secretive, denying they are secretive is a hallmark of secrecy!

well put, another reason for Catholics to join or start Catholic organizations....League of Christ the King maybe one..some nations, may still have Catholic Action groups....

Thorn · « **Reply #52 on:** November 15, 2010, 11:34:46 AM »

I completely agree about starting or joining Catholic organizations. It's the only way, really. But at the time I joined the JBS there were none to join & I didn't have the wherewithal to start one as I had a family to raise. I also have no problem with pointing out their Americanist & capitalist leanings. It's the lies and distortions that ruffles my feathers severely. In the trad school & parish where I was, they organized a Boy Scout chapter or whatever it's called. In Telesphorus' world is this OK? If not, why not? Also Telesphorus should write to JBS HQ to tell them that they're not keeping their 'secrets' too well as he's heard that they are openly organizing in trad parishes. They need a good laugh in these dismal times. I still would like to know what damage they were doing.

While the JBS has deteriorated, I will always be grateful to God that I found them when I did and learned so much and met such great people. The good news is that after all the splits, the Birchers formed other foundations and organizations to spread the word and inform people and so the basic message is getting out but without the stigma of the JBS name.

btw, a partial quote from Robert Welch is - '...Catholics should become better Catholics, .....'

Thorn · « **Reply #53 on:** November 15, 2010, 11:39:06 AM »

As I said before, almost everything poor Roscoe posts has something wrong with it. I don't want to deal with him any more.

Alexandria · « **Reply #54 on:** November 15, 2010, 11:50:26 AM »

The way you are reacting, Thorn, to any criticisms of your sacred cow tells me everything I need to know.

Thorn · « **Reply #55 on:** November 15, 2010, 12:04:26 PM »

Excuse me. ANY criticisms? I just said I don't mind valid ones. Sacred Cow?! A bit harsh, no? The JBS is NOT what it used to be I just wrote. I never thought that being loyal to old friends would be a problem. Maybe these reactions are what keep some Birchers 'secret' (silent) about their affiliations. It used to be that Catholics had to remain mum. What a sad spot we've come to.

Alexandria · « **Reply #56 on:** November 15, 2010, 12:09:00 PM »

Quote from: Thorn

Excuse me. ANY criticisms? I just said I don't mind valid ones. Sacred Cow?! A bit harsh, no? The JBS is NOT what it used to be I just wrote. I never thought that being loyal to old friends would be a problem. Maybe these reactions are what keep some Birchers 'secret' (silent) about their affiliations. It used to be that Catholics had to remain mum. What a sad spot we've come to.

:rolleyes:

roscoe · « **Reply #57 on:** November 15, 2010, 12:25:22 PM »

The Earth/Sun question has not been answered.

Dawn · « **Reply #58 on:** November 15, 2010, 03:34:10 PM »

Thorn, actually no the Boy Scouts, YMCA or JBS are not all right for Catholics. And, why? Well the obvious truth is that they are not started with Christ in mind. Not the Christ of the Protestants (Though certainly with the JBS society having the Jєω Roy Cohn as a leader at the start speaks for itself there). No, Catholics are forbidden to join ANY organizations whatsoever that are begun by anyone outside of the one True Faith. Unless their entire game plan is to get everyone praying the Rosary, Converting to the One True Church Outside of Which There is NO HOPE for Salvation, and promoting the Social Teaching of Jesus Christ as King, then they are nothing we should have anything to do with period.

Dawn · « **Reply #59 on:** November 15, 2010, 03:38:35 PM »

Quote from: Thorn

I completely agree about starting or joining Catholic organizations. It's the only way, really. But at the time I joined the JBS there were none to join & I didn't have the wherewithal to start one as I had a family to raise. I also have no problem with pointing out their Americanist & capitalist leanings. It's the lies and distortions that ruffles my feathers severely. In the trad school & parish where I was, they organized a Boy Scout chapter or whatever it's called. In Telesphorus' world is this OK? If not, why not? Also Telesphorus should write to JBS HQ to tell them that they're not keeping their 'secrets' too well as he's heard that they are openly organizing in trad parishes. They need a good laugh in these dismal times. I still would like to know what damage they were doing.

While the JBS has deteriorated, I will always be grateful to God that I found them when I did and learned so much and met such great people. The good news is that after all the splits, the Birchers formed other foundations and organizations to spread the word and inform people and so the basic message is getting out but without the stigma of the JBS name.

btw, a partial quote from Robert Welch is - '...Catholics should become better Catholics, .....'

Thought that last was always credited to Therese of Calcutta. Muslims better Muslims, Hindu a better Hindu and so on. Which of course is evil in itself.

If the had just a dash of Americanism then run like heck. A dash of poison will ruin the whole batch. Nothing good can come out of an organization that is not 100% Catholic and by that I certainly do not mean the New False religion of Vatican II.