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Offline Elizabeth

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2010, 06:09:36 PM »
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  • The Birchers are very vague when questioned about what connection their is with trad Catholicism, in my experience.

    *mum's the word*

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    « Reply #16 on: October 04, 2010, 03:40:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    The Birchers are very vague when questioned about what connection their is with trad Catholicism, in my experience.

    *mum's the word*


    While I know there are some people from the SSPX that are involved with JBS, and they try sometimes to get other Trads (the youth in particular) to go to their summer camps and read their literature, I do know that the SSPX priests that I'm familiar with do not approve of them or their propaganda.

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    « Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 05:23:39 PM »
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    Fr. Clarence Kelley writing a book either about them or dedicated to them in the early 1970s.  

    Does anyone here know anything?


    I missed this one!   :tinfoil: :tinfoil: (double dunce) What was the title?  

    This is supposed to be from a 12-page report by a group of former high-ranking JBS members:

    "Welch provided the most valuable service of all time to the Conspiracy.

     He founded an organization to neutralize millions of Americans from

    discovering what the true power behind the illuminati was.  and we

    concede the Masons chose an extremely clever man to do the job.

     Welch, with the help of the Belmont Brotherhood, plays his role very

    effectively."

    http://www.troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/the-belmont-brotherhood-the-john-birch-society-high-level-masonry-the-cfr/

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    « Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 05:30:21 PM »
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    I do know that the SSPX priests that I'm familiar with do not approve of them or their propaganda.

     Thank the Good Lord for that!  

    Keep their claws off our kids!!!!

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    « Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 08:50:17 PM »
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    « Reply #20 on: November 13, 2010, 01:14:47 PM »
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  • "Louvada Siesa O' Sanctisimo Sacramento!"~warcry of the Amakusa/Shimabara rebels

    "We must risk something for God!"~Hernan Cortes


    TEJANO AND PROUD!

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    « Reply #21 on: November 13, 2010, 05:17:02 PM »
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  • If anyone wants to see how Sen Mc Carthy was set up by Cohn and Joe Welch, go over to youtube and search Point Of Order Documentary.
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    « Reply #22 on: November 13, 2010, 05:31:17 PM »
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    If anyone wants to see how Sen Mc Carthy was set up by Cohn and Joe Welch, go over to youtube and search Point Of Order Documentary.


    If I had high speed connection, I would.  As it is, I will just have to imagine what they did.  That Roy Cohn sure did get around though.  He was all over the place.


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    « Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 12:10:37 AM »
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  • At the risk of getting ignored by all or even banned, I'd like to give my two cents worth.

    As I said in my intro, I was a member of the JBS years ago & am very grateful for what I learned.  I think Roscoe & a few others here have a skewed picture of the JBS. But then, they are probably going by what the JBS is now, which is a mere shadow of what it used to be.

    In MHO Robert Welch was a genius & a prophet (not in the religious sense).  If people had heeded him then, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.  Please hear me thro to the end, but I've often said that but for the JBS I'd be a bag lady or on welfare & my kids all on drugs instead of the successful, happy trads that we are.

    Robert Welch founded the JBS in Dec. of 1958.  I joined in 1973.  I had noticed something wrong with the country & the church & felt quite alone.  Why didn't more people see what I saw?  When I went to my first few meetings I said that I had been a Bircher all my life & didn't know it.  Here I met trads (who showed me the way to the traditional Latin Mass said by a saintly elderly Jesuit) & non-Catholics, who became life-long friends.  They were witty, intelligent & dedicated. I devoured their books, subscribed to their newsmagazines where you got news that you never got in the controlled media, went to Council Dinners and later attended Robert Welch's Memorial  when he passed away in 1985.  I heard that he converted at the end which is possible as he knew some trad priests, but I don't really know.  All my children attended Birch camps to their great benefit.

    Dr. Larry McDonald, a Congressman from Georgia, was being groomed to head the JBS,  but he was killed (murdered?) when a Soviet fighter pilot shot down the Korean Air Lines jetliner that he was on over the Sea of Japan.   There was always a curious dearth of news concerning this tragedy in which 60 other Americans lost their lives in 1983.  The JBS was never the same after this and went from one leader to another with at least one being a traditional Catholic.

    Unfortunately the JBS went much like the Catholic Church with in-fighting and splits, and splits with splits, firings & hirings and nasty lawsuits with each side claiming to be the real JBS.   Our Bookstore that I sometimes helped in was closed and by the late 1990's I no longer was a member but remained friends with the few Birchers who hadn't died or left the state.  They aren't members now either.  I don't know why John McManus stays as it seems that the JBS has been taken over by the Mormons.  Religion was never an issue before, but the head is now a Mormon and there seems to be a lot of his family on the payroll, and perhaps his friends.  The quality of the monthy Bulletin went way down and they seemed to be just spinning their wheels which may be why some on this forum call them "a controlled opposition".

    'The Sword of Christendom'  a book written by Rev. Fr. Stephen P. DeLallo of the SPPX has an Appendix on the JBS and one on Freemasonry and the American Republic that you might find interesting.

    All in all, JBS writers were always brilliant, and I learned much from them that allowed me to protect my children from public "education" and the nonsense in the NO.  I now see their feet of clay and know that only the Social Reign of Christ the King can save us.  If all Catholics were informed and voted as real Catholics, this country could be turned around overnight.

    The moral of this story is - do not fear the Birchers in the trad chapels.  I'd make friends with them as most likely they think exactly like you do and are very informed and go-getters.  At least they were way back when.  Of course there always is the possibility of a nutjob here or there, as there is in every organization but I'm speaking generally.  I'm just sad to see all the misinformation about them floating around. I could write more but this is getting too long.  And, no, I'm quite sure that Joe Welch is no relation to Robert Welch.        
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    « Reply #24 on: November 14, 2010, 06:15:28 PM »
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  • Mea Culpa!  After sleeping after my post on the JBS, I realize that I said nothing about what it stood for, so I'll try to put it in a nutshell.
    Their motto is 'Less Government, More [individual] Responsibility, And - With God's Help - A Better World.'  They were the Cadillac of all the anti-Communist organizations.

    Nothing rankles them more than to call this country a democracy.  It's a Republic - that is, the rule of law; not of the majority which is what got us abortion & other ills.  It's true that it is being turned into a democracy, the better to slide into socialism & then Communism. They fought the good fight to inform.

    They warned us of the U.N. and how dangerous it really was.

    They kept us informed on what was going on in the public schools and how our children were not so much being educated but indoctrinated.  Barbara Morris' little book, 'Why Are You Losing Your Children' was invaluable.  Also James Hefley's 'Textbooks on Trial'  and many others.

    Mr. Welch had an admiration for the Catholic Church's staunch anti-Communist stand and seemed surprised and saddened to see the direction it was starting to take.

    They railed against Big Government, taxation, the Welfare State, gun control, and gave report cards on Congressmen.  It was here that I learned of Saul Alinski of Chicago.  Ever hear of him on the news?  Didn't think so.

    Yes, another slogan was, 'Support Your Local Police' but the rest of the slogan was - And Keep Them Independent' as they feared a police state.

    They believed that there was a conspiracy afoot as it was impossible to think that all this mayhem was happening by accident.  They were branded as extremists, yet everything Mr. Welch said has come true or is coming true.  

    The best thing to do is read their books & use your Catholic sense as regards the Jews.

     
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    « Reply #25 on: November 14, 2010, 07:33:02 PM »
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  • It's not so much the literature of the JBS that's troublesome as much as their goals and the nature of the organization.

    It forms secretive networks in churches even though it is essentially indifferentist.  In that sense it is like a right-wing masonry.  And they aren't against Freemasonry.


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    « Reply #26 on: November 14, 2010, 07:48:54 PM »
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    It forms secretive networks in churches   .


    That's the thing.

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    « Reply #27 on: November 14, 2010, 08:13:30 PM »
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  • re secretive networks in churches - I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

    They write & talk about Freemasonry all the time!!

    Just as not all Catholics belong to the NO, not all Jews are connected to the conspiracy and there are non-Jews in the conspiracy as well.

    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #28 on: November 14, 2010, 08:17:32 PM »
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  • Their goals are to get us out of the UN & to have less government & more individual responsibility!!  That's bad?!
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #29 on: November 14, 2010, 08:22:25 PM »
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  • About 1997 the literature avail from JBS changed radically. Now they are practically worthless. I have never believed the story they floated that KAL 007 somehow landed in China and Cong Mc Donald( nephew of G Patton) survives in a Camp somewhere.

    I believe that Cong Mc Donald was at least a professing Catholic.
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