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Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #120 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:00:10 PM »

Quote from: DoubtingThomas

I have a question, and I don't want anybody to get offended with it.

Are there any parallels between:

A) The relationship or influence that JBS might have had over the Traditionalist Catholic Movement, and...

I dont know about other Traditional groups, or the majority of SSPXers for that matter. But the SSPX hierarchy have all been (philosophically) students of Fr.Fahey and +Lefebvre, not John Birch.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #121 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:31:25 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Quote from: DoubtingThomas
I have a question, and I don't want anybody to get offended with it.

Are there any parallels between:

A) The relationship or influence that JBS might have had over the Traditionalist Catholic Movement, and...

I dont know about other Traditional groups, or the majority of SSPXers for that matter. But the SSPX hierarchy have all been (philosophically) students of Fr.Fahey and +Lefebvre, not John Birch.

John Birch was a Protestant missionary who was murdered by the Red Chinese.

The founder of the SSPX was Robert Welch.

But the recent leader McManus was an SSPX chapel goer.

roscoe · « **Reply #122 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:34:07 PM »

The founder of SSPX was Robert Welch??

Telesphorus · « **Reply #123 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:34:42 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

The founder of SSPX was Robert Welch??

Good catch roscoe. The founder of the JBS was Robert Welch.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #124 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:36:18 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Quote from: DoubtingThomas
I have a question, and I don't want anybody to get offended with it.

Are there any parallels between:

A) The relationship or influence that JBS might have had over the Traditionalist Catholic Movement, and...

I dont know about other Traditional groups, or the majority of SSPXers for that matter. But the SSPX hierarchy have all been (philosophically) students of Fr.Fahey and +Lefebvre, not John Birch.

...

The founder of the SSPX was Robert Welch.

....

....... uh... dont you mean +Lefebvre?

EDIT: Nevermind. Mistake found and corrected (before posting it seems). lol

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #125 on:** January 28, 2011, 12:23:28 AM »

I think, I did not formulate my question in the proper way...

I have been reading two threads about the JBS, two threads about the K o C, and a thread about Americanism.

Reducing my question to the USA, and excluding the FSSPX/SSPX from the picture...

Have the JBS spread Americanism among Catholic Traditionalists (excluding SSPXers) in the USA?

After reading the threads about the K o C, I was under the impression that they had done exactly the same with the Novus Ordo Catholics in the USA. Am I wrong about that?

Like I said, these are questions, not statements. I'm asking because I want to know, no offence intended.

Cheers,

DT.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #126 on:** January 28, 2011, 12:12:48 PM »

Americanism is rife among traditional Catholics.

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #127 on:** January 29, 2011, 02:31:52 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Quote from: Elizabeth

I think there may be more problem with white supremist groups that JBS--unless they are also into that philosophy?

I haven't heard or read anywhere about the possibility of the JBS hierarchy being involved with any kind of white-supremacy. Unless anything surfaces that favors the idea, I wouldn't consider it and just stick with the known facts.

A number of the people I met from there didnt seem too fond of the Spanish (for obvious reasons). lol

It is not too much trouble... could you please tell me what the reasons are?

I am asking you because I am not from the USA, and I have never lived/been there, so things are not quite obvious to me.

When you said the Spanish, you mean:

a) the people from Spain?

b) or the Spanish speaking immigrants inside the USA?

roscoe · « **Reply #128 on:** January 29, 2011, 11:33:35 AM »

How can Americanism( a modernist heresy) be 'rife' among Trad Catholics( the anti-thesis of modernism)?

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #129 on:** January 29, 2011, 12:47:00 PM »

Quote from: DoubtingThomas

Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Quote from: Elizabeth

I think there may be more problem with white supremist groups that JBS--unless they are also into that philosophy?

I haven't heard or read anywhere about the possibility of the JBS hierarchy being involved with any kind of white-supremacy. Unless anything surfaces that favors the idea, I wouldn't consider it and just stick with the known facts.

A number of the people I met from there didnt seem too fond of the Spanish (for obvious reasons). lol

It is not too much trouble... could you please tell me what the reasons are?

I am asking you because I am not from the USA, and I have never lived/been there, so things are not quite obvious to me.

When you said the Spanish, you mean:

a) the people from Spain?

b) or the Spanish speaking immigrants inside the USA?

I didnt mean to imply that they were racially prejudiced. I was just taking a little jab at their protestant viewpoint of the Spanish.

What they seem opposed to is the Spanish legacy of "tyranny" and they seemed to put an emphasis on the Spanish providing the market for the slave trade (which they failed to mention was being run by the Ducth and English) and place them in the category of despotic nations like Napoleonic France. In their opinion, Monarchy is a more tyrannical form of government than Communism (the adult Capitalism)... they consider Monarchy to be "Far Left Wing".

But really, what are a bunch of AngloSaxon Protestanst and Mormon pagans going to like about a Catholic Empire like Spain?

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #130 on:** January 29, 2011, 12:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Americanism is rife among traditional Catholics.

It's only natural for a foreign people (regardless of their origin) to adapt the philosophy of the nation they are inhabiting. You notice how often God stresses a strict separation/segregation of the Israelites from the pagan people inhabiting Palestine at that time... considering how they turned out as soon as they settled in that area showed why. They adapted the religion and went so far as to adopt the customs of the pagans. This is why God ordered the Israelites to destroy everyone and everything of the pagans "...Or I shall make them to be a thorn in your side", because whoever and whatever was left behind would return to influence them somehow.

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #131 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:00:42 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

I didnt mean to imply that they were racially prejudiced. I was just taking a little jab at their protestant viewpoint of the Spanish.

What they seem opposed to is the Spanish legacy of "tyranny" and they seemed to put an emphasis on the Spanish providing the market for the slave trade (which they failed to mention was being run by the Ducth and English) and place them in the category of despotic nations like Napoleonic France. In their opinion, Monarchy is a more tyrannical form of government than Communism (the adult Capitalism)... they consider Monarchy to be "Far Left Wing".

But really, what are a bunch of AngloSaxon Protestanst and Mormon pagans going to like about a Catholic Empire like Spain?

Thanks for the clarification. I think I read somewhere the term "W.A.S.P. Mentality", now I get the point.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #132 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:11:53 PM »

Quote from: DoubtingThomas

Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Quote from: Elizabeth

I think there may be more problem with white supremist groups that JBS--unless they are also into that philosophy?

I haven't heard or read anywhere about the possibility of the JBS hierarchy being involved with any kind of white-supremacy. Unless anything surfaces that favors the idea, I wouldn't consider it and just stick with the known facts.

A number of the people I met from there didnt seem too fond of the Spanish (for obvious reasons). lol

It is not too much trouble... could you please tell me what the reasons are?

I am asking you because I am not from the USA, and I have never lived/been there, so things are not quite obvious to me.

When you said the Spanish, you mean:

a) the people from Spain?

b) or the Spanish speaking immigrants inside the USA?

If you wanna know about the USA (rather than the JBS or it's members), there is an undeniable prejudice here. I dont mean to say that everyone in America doesnt like Hispanics, but there is still a good percentage of the population that hates Hispanics. While today the negative feelings towards Hispanics (and I dont blame them) are caused by the atrocities of illegal Mexicans crossing the border and trading in drugs or taking advantage of the system. Most of those people crossing over from Mexico are desperate people seeking a better life for themselves in what they consider to be the land of opportunity. And why the hell should we blame them for wanting to come over here? WE THE AMERICANS MARKETED OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AS THE BASTION OF "LIBERTY" AND ECONOMIC SUCCESS! WHO THE HELL WOULDNT WANT TO COME HERE AND PARTAKE IN OUR "PURSUIT OF HAPINESS"?! However, with the stream of immigrants come the drug cartels, mercenaries, and social scuм, who come to do whatever they want because they get a free pass in the name of "civil rights" while trampling over the rights of natural born citizens. And these are the people who are responsible for bad reputation that Latinos and Hispanics have. And while most Americans look down on Hispanics because of the immigration issue, there is still a good percentage that HATE Hispanics because they are Catholic. This sentiment has been ingrained into the Anglos since before the Mexican American War which was considered a Protestant crusade against the Catholics and was nurtured by the KuKluxKlan, which is still alive and well today, though their influence is exaggerated by liberals in order to demonize Whites.

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #133 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:28:09 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

If you wanna know about the USA (rather than the JBS or it's members), there is an undeniable prejudice here. I dont mean to say that everyone in America doesnt like Hispanics, but there is still a good percentage of the population that hates Hispanics. While today the negative feelings towards Hispanics (and I dont blame them) are caused by the atrocities of illegal Mexicans crossing the border and trading in drugs or taking advantage of the system. Most of those people crossing over from Mexico are desperate people seeking a better life for themselves in what they consider to be the land of opportunity. And why the hell should we blame them for wanting to come over here? WE THE AMERICANS MARKETED OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AS THE BASTION OF "LIBERTY" AND ECONOMIC SUCCESS! WHO THE HELL WOULDNT WANT TO COME HERE AND PARTAKE IN OUR "PURSUIT OF HAPINESS"?! However, with the stream of immigrants come the drug cartels, mercenaries, and social scuм, who come to do whatever they want because they get a free pass in the name of "civil rights" while trampling over the rights of natural born citizens. And these are the people who are responsible for bad reputation that Latinos and Hispanics have. And while most Americans look down on Hispanics because of the immigration issue, there is still a good percentage that HATE Hispanics because they are Catholic. This sentiment has been ingrained into the Anglos since before the Mexican American War which was considered a Protestant crusade against the Catholics and was nurtured by the KuKluxKlan, which is still alive and well today, though their influence is exaggerated by liberals in order to demonize Whites.

You know... There is a thing I was thinking about when I wrote my first Question on this Thread...

I am from South America, and I never knew anything about the SSPX, or Catholic Traditionalism before the existence of the Internet.

I am wondering why people from my family and friends (who are very devout Catholics) still today ignore that it exists, and all what it means.

Is like we never got the memo...

roscoe · « **Reply #134 on:** January 29, 2011, 03:25:24 PM »

The biggest prob with Mexicans is that they shouldn't let the Judaix media( and it's 'Latino' dupes like the Sanchez sisters, X Hermasillo, Mario Obledo etc) brainwash them into believing that the Gringo( Spaniards are Gringos) is 'racist' ( it never stops). There is No Such Thing as a 'racist'.