Author Topic: The Holy Ghost: Agent of Change (Read 658 times)

Mithrandylan · « **on:** April 16, 2013, 07:16:16 PM »

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/04/16/pope:_2nd_vatican_council,_work_of_holy_spirit_but_some_want_to_tur/en1-683419

Quote from: Vatican Radio (my emphasis in bold)

Pope Francis said the Holy Spirit pushes people and the Church forward but we resist this and do not want to change. His remarks came during his homily at the Mass on Tuesday morning celebrated at the Santa Marta residence which was dedicated to Benedict XVI in honour of his 86th birthday. Susy Hodges reports: RealAudioMP3

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Pope Francis dedicated Tuesday's mass to Benedict XVI 16th who turned 86 on this date. “May the Love be with him, comfort him and gave him much consolation,” he said.

Pope Francis’ homily at the mass was centred on the theme of the Holy Spirit and our resistance to it [sic]. It took its inspiration from the first reading of the day which was the story of the martyrdom of St. Stephen who described his accusers as stubborn people who were always resisting the Holy Spirit.

Put frankly, the Pope continued, “the Holy Spirit upsets us because it moves us, it makes us walk, it pushes the Church forward.” He said that we wish “to calm down the Holy Spirit, we want to tame it and this is wrong.” Pope Francis said “that’s because the Holy Spirit is the strength of God, it’s what gives us the strength to go forward” but many find this upsetting and prefer the comfort of the familiar.

Nowadays, he went on, “everybody seems happy about the presence of the Holy Spirit but it’s not really the case and there is still that temptation to resist it. [sic]” The Pope said one example of this resistance was the Second Vatican council which he called “a beautiful work of the Holy Spirit.” But 50 years later, “have we done everything the Holy Spirit was asking us to do during the Council,” he asked. The answer is “No,” said Pope Francis. “We celebrate this anniversary, we put up a monument but we don’t want it to upset us. We don’t want to change and what’s more there are those who wish to turn the clock back.” This, he went on, “is called stubbornness and wanting to tame the Holy Spirit.”

The Pope said the same thing happens in our personal life. “The Spirit pushes us to take a more evangelical path but we resist this.” He concluded his homily by urging those present not to resist the pull of the Holy Spirit. “Submit to the Holy Spirit,” he said, “which comes from within us and makes go forward along the path of holiness.”

Perhaps if the Israelites had embraced the progress of pagan worship and customs God would have looked more favorably on them.

Notice how the article continually uses the pronoun 'it' with no capitalization in reference to the Holy Ghost.

Bergo got one thing right, the conciliarists have yet to do what the Holy Ghost wants done with VII, which is to have a barbecue with it.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2013, 08:25:46 PM »

Isn't it just slightly odd that the wishes of Pope Francis and the "wishes" of the Holy Ghost seem to match up very conveniently?

Is the goal of the Holy Ghost to get us into the desired One World Church, free of dogma?

I count myself as a doubter.

s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2013, 12:18:35 PM »

Quote from: Pope Francis via Mithrandylan

We don’t want to change and what’s more there are those who wish to turn the clock back.” .

No surprise here, sadly. They really believe that the Catholic Faith- that which came before VII- was a bad thing. I say, get the flip out of the Church then. (and yes I know why they don't)

Stubborn · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2013, 09:44:32 AM »

Quote from: Vatican Radio (Mith's emphasis in bold)

Nowadays, he went on, “everybody seems happy about the presence of the Holy Spirit but it’s not really the case and there is still that temptation to resist it. [sic]” The Pope said one example of this resistance was the Second Vatican council which he called “a beautiful work of the Holy Spirit.” But 50 years later, “have we done everything the Holy Spirit was asking us to do during the Council,” he asked. The answer is “No,” said Pope Francis. “We celebrate this anniversary, we put up a monument but we don’t want it to upset us. We don’t want to change and what’s more there are those who wish to turn the clock back.” This, he went on, “is called stubbornness and wanting to tame the Holy Spirit.”

Snip from Chapter 11 of Fr. Wathen's: Who Shall Ascend? published in 1991

The Conciliarists are no more reformers than Martin Luther was, and have no more interest in recovering the holy spirit and ways of the Early Church than he did. They are ravagers, who refer to the primitive Church as a gimmick. They who deride Traditionalists, who would keep the Old Mass and Sacramental rites, by saying that we cannot adapt to the times. To us they intone: "It is impossible to 'turn back the clock.' You withstand the workings of the Holy Spirit in the Church." Their referring to the Early Church to justify their desecrations
is not "turning back the clock," of course. They have cut the tree down to its trunk, and now insist that they have done it to make it grow.

BTW, chapter 11 is named:
Intra Ecclesiam Conciliariam Nulla Salus
(There is no salvation within the Conciliar Church)