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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2021, 12:40:05 PM »
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  • On topic, I have just found this on the Campos Administration website.

    Google translation from Portuguese:

    "Note, however, that in the time of Dom Antônio's episcopate, who preferred and celebrated the Mass in the old rite, from 1969 (when the New Mass was promulgated) until 1981 (when Dom Antônio became emeritus), there was in the diocese of Campos, parishes and churches where the Mass of Saint Pius V was celebrated, alongside parishes and churches where the Mass of Paul VI was celebrated, with the permission of the Diocesan Bishop, who preserved, and even appointed as parish priests, priests who only celebrated in the new rite."

    Modernists are often also big liars, but if this is true, it speaks a lot in disfavour of Bp. Castro Mayer.

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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #16 on: October 28, 2021, 05:39:27 PM »
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  • I think you’re just repeating old calumnies against them. 
    calumny
    noun
    • A false statement maliciously made to injure another's reputation.

    I posted a letter from Bishop Castro de Meyer. Are you accusing the good bishop of lying?

    The topic of this thread is Bishop Castro De Meyer, so I posted a letter written by the good Bishop to a grieving mother who was one of many who lost their young teenage sons to the TFP Plinio- worshiping cult. Their sons were trafficked to other countries, their sons were turned against their parents, taught by TFP that "My parents are the genesis of my revolution."

    The other post was in regard to civil charges against TFP for their criminal cнιℓd тrαffιcking (not child sex trafficking, just cнιℓd тrαffιcking).

    Facts are facts. Facts are not calumny.
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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #17 on: October 28, 2021, 05:45:21 PM »
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  • When one examines both Plineo’s and Atila’s writings, we see that they represent cutting-edge Catholic thinking.
    You may think that Plinio being more "divine" than Almighty God is cutting-edge; I call it heresy:

    "The great Moses with his burning bush on the top of Sinai does not make me jealous. For if he were there with God for 40 days, I have been with Dr. Plinio for 33 years. And in this relationship I see, perhaps, more of the divine presence than he before the sacred bush."
     
     https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/Internet_Files/F142_Defense_Eng.pdf
    originally on p. 36
    now changed to p. 37
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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #18 on: October 28, 2021, 05:50:17 PM »
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  • On topic, I have just found this on the Campos Administration website.

    Google translation from Portuguese:

    "Note, however, that in the time of Dom Antônio's episcopate, who preferred and celebrated the Mass in the old rite, from 1969 (when the New Mass was promulgated) until 1981 (when Dom Antônio became emeritus), there was in the diocese of Campos, parishes and churches where the Mass of Saint Pius V was celebrated, alongside parishes and churches where the Mass of Paul VI was celebrated, with the permission of the Diocesan Bishop, who preserved, and even appointed as parish priests, priests who only celebrated in the new rite."

    Modernists are often also big liars, but if this is true, it speaks a lot in disfavour of Bp. Castro Mayer.
    Perhaps you could check further to find out IF it is true prior to posting an attack on Bishop Meyer (who was a close friend of Bishop Williamson) making this speculation doubtful.
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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #19 on: October 28, 2021, 06:04:01 PM »
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  • Tradition In Action, which is a TFP mouthpiece, although there is a contrived distance between the two, accuses Archbishop Lefebvre (it has Guérard des Lauriers making the claim) of saying a Novus Ordo, which is unlikely and bizarre given how the first saying of an early form of it shocked him to the core, or having a personal Masonic brass band, or that the Archbishop was invalidly ordained by +Achille Liénart.

    Now the present Personal Administration of St John Vianney which continues the work of Abp Mayer, is headed by Bishop Rifan who has been pictured concelebrating a Novus Ordo with Pope Francis. And +Rifan has concelebrated Novus Ordos a few times. Pope Francis might ask the heads of FSSP or ICKSP if they will be good boys like +Rifan and concelebrate a Novus Ordo with him.


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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #20 on: October 28, 2021, 10:01:36 PM »
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  • Perhaps you could check further to find out IF it is true prior to posting an attack on Bishop Meyer (who was a close friend of Bishop Williamson) making this speculation doubtful.

    Posting something I found online and saying that it could not be true is not exactly an attack on anybody. It is merely a report.

    I have also found this citation from Dr. David Allen White's book. It seems to confirm the citation I posted earlier:

    "Almost all parishes throughout the diocese had preserved the Tridentine Mass. "

    If "almost all" preserved, it can only be assumed that some did not preserve. In other words, New Mass was celebrated on his diocese.

    I don't think that it invalidates his work. It is perfectly understandable, given the situation that he was in. How can you prohibit a Priest from saying the Mass that the Pope says, without turning your diocese into a schismatic group?
    Leading a Priestly Society is very different from leading a diocesis.

    Anyway, facts are facts, and Dr. David Allen White is more trustworthy than the current Campos leaders.

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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #21 on: October 28, 2021, 10:17:08 PM »
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  • Now the present Personal Administration of St John Vianney which continues the work of Abp Mayer, is headed by Bishop Rifan who has been pictured concelebrating a Novus Ordo with Pope Francis. And +Rifan has concelebrated Novus Ordos a few times. Pope Francis might ask the heads of FSSP or ICKSP if they will be good boys like +Rifan and concelebrate a Novus Ordo with him.
    Not only, +Rifan also concelebrated masses of an event of Rotary Club (some know the roots of this "club") which is terrible and goes against even himself of almost 25 years ago.
    𝖅𝖊𝖑𝖔 𝖟𝖊𝖑𝖆𝖙𝖚𝖘 𝖘𝖚𝖒 𝖕𝖗𝖔 𝕯𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖔 𝕯𝖊𝖔 𝖊𝖝𝖊𝖗𝖈𝖎𝖙𝖚𝖚𝖒.

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    Re: The history of Bishop Castro Mayer and his diocese?
    « Reply #22 on: October 29, 2021, 11:54:19 AM »
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  • Tradition In Action, which is a TFP mouthpiece, although there is a contrived distance between the two, accuses Archbishop Lefebvre (it has Guérard des Lauriers making the claim) of saying a Novus Ordo, which is unlikely and bizarre given how the first saying of an early form of it shocked him to the core, or having a personal Masonic brass band, or that the Archbishop was invalidly ordained by +Achille Liénart.

    Now the present Personal Administration of St John Vianney which continues the work of Abp Mayer, is headed by Bishop Rifan who has been pictured concelebrating a Novus Ordo with Pope Francis. And +Rifan has concelebrated Novus Ordos a few times. Pope Francis might ask the heads of FSSP or ICKSP if they will be good boys like +Rifan and concelebrate a Novus Ordo with him.

    Why do you think the differences between TFP and TIA are contrived?

    From what I’ve learned their differences are well docuмented and substantial (e.g., Atila’s “Defense”).

    TFP accepts Consiliarism and TIA does not.  

    TFP would never publicly acknowledge that the docuмents of Vatican II were based on non-Catholic theology.

    Whereas, TIA is founded on this notion. It was the key connection between Plineo and Atila.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi