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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #300 on: January 11, 2018, 08:50:55 PM »
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How does anyone know what the "degree" of a council is?

Neil said:  but the Catholic way of demanding the religious assent of faith is dogmatic definition, of which Vat.II contained nothing

EXACTLY!  As you stated, V2 was the first non-dogmatic, pastoral, ecuŠ¼enical council in history.  That is evidence right there that it should be viewed "differently", but many don't have an explanation for this difference, and it doesn't fit their theory, so they ignore it.  


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It seems to me that Vat.II fails 1, 2 and 4, not just 1.
In the interest of making a point about the lack of clarity and obligation to obey V2's "decrees which decree nothing", I conceded 2 and 4.  But I agree that 2 and 4 are debatable and not 100% certain.  
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #301 on: January 11, 2018, 09:00:23 PM »
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It's going to take a new Council to declare Vat.II "different" from the previous 19, and therefore abrogated.
Neil, another great point.  I agree that it's not my place to say that V2 is abrogated or invalid.  However, as the 'council fathers' and many theologians have admitted in the past 50 years that it IS DIFFERENT than other ecuŠ¼enical councils, (as I've shown by many quotes) we don't have to wait for a future council to  tell us that our 'religious submission' should have MUCH caution attached to it.  

These are not my words, but those of the V2 magisterium itself!
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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #302 on: January 12, 2018, 04:51:56 PM »


Fr. Hesse explains why Vatican II is Not A Council of the Church



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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #303 on: January 12, 2018, 05:22:49 PM »
Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on January 12, 2018, 04:51:56 PM
Fr. Hesse explains why Vatican II is Not A Council of the Church

Only way V2 could not be a "Council of the Church" is if Paul VI had not been a legitimate pope.  Period.  There's no other answer.  Any other explanation is just ridiculous mental gymnastics to serve the R&R agenda ... and a waste of everyone's time.
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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #304 on: January 12, 2018, 06:25:49 PM »

CathInfo readers can listen to the opinion of a canon lawyer and doctor of Thomistic theology or to the opinion of a professional blogger who wants to be one on CathInfo.

For those who are not familiar with Fr. Hesse, there are many informative videos on you tube. Highly recommended.
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