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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2018, 12:44:37 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on January 03, 2018, 12:36:37 PM
Ladislaus, Please guide me on my thinking here.

So, it seems the modern popes have broken with tradition and the proximate rule of faith (Magisterium), but have not made any Dogmatic decrees from the seat?   Is this correct?

If this is correct, why would it be?  

From his record, why wouldn't Francis just go for it, and make a heretical dogmatic pronouncement from the Seat of Peter?

Even a de facto, destroyer Pope would know, the Holy Ghost would block him from doing so?
Great points!
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2018, 12:49:52 PM »
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There are no "levels" of the magisterium...
Bellator, you sound foolish and it goes to show you haven't read the article.  Go read it and get back to us.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2018, 01:00:05 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on January 03, 2018, 10:48:35 AM
The magisterium is always infallible.

In that case, dude, you'd better accept Religious Liberty as de fide.

[Of course we know that you have redefined "Magisterium" to include only the true things taught by popes ... so making infallibility into a tautology.]
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2018, 01:06:57 PM »
So, for those who claim that the Magisterium is always infallible, are you claiming that every word that came out of Pius XII's mouth that appeared in AAS is to be regarded as infallible?

[I'm talking to the SVs here.  Stubborn has redefined Magisterium according to his Magisterium-sifting principles and does not believe in a priori infallibility for anything except solemn definitions].
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2018, 01:13:01 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 03, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
In that case, dude, you'd better accept Religious Liberty as de fide.

[Of course we know that you have redefined "Magisterium" to include only the true things taught by popes ... so making infallibility into a tautology.]
No, I cannot accept RL at all, certainly not based on you having an altogether ridiculous understanding of what the Magisterium even is - re: your sededoubtism.
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