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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #305 on: January 12, 2018, 09:29:34 PM »

By the way Ladislaus, I am another, along with Pax Vobis, Stubborn, and others, that recognize the important truth that dogma is the proximate rule of faith.  So I have a question for you.  Since you have agreed in earlier posts that Sacred Scripture and Tradition are the remote rule of faith, how can this be since both are products of the Magisterium which was made up of St. Peter and the Apostles?  Shouldn't you just say the Magisterium is the remote rule of faith and drop this reference to Scripture and Tradition all together?  If the fruit of the Magisterium (Scripture and Tradition) is the remote rule of faith, why isn't the proximate rule of faith the fruit of the Magisterium (dogma)?  
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #306 on: January 13, 2018, 06:58:08 AM »
Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on January 12, 2018, 06:25:49 PM
CathInfo readers can listen to the opinion of a canon lawyer and doctor of Thomistic theology or to the opinion of a professional blogger who wants to be one on CathInfo.

For those who are not familiar with Fr. Hesse, there are many informative videos on you tube. Highly recommended.
When I started to research the Crisis about 5 years ago, I watched Fr Hesse's videos (and took copious notes).  Unfortunately, I remember thinking after mulling it over that his explanation didn't make sense to me.  Something was off.  At this point, I don't remember what it was that made me think that (maybe Ladislaus can chime in here to help me recall), but it was clear to me that I could not agree with his ideas.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #307 on: January 13, 2018, 09:32:27 AM »
Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on January 12, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
how can this be since both are products of the Magisterium which was made up of St. Peter and the Apostles?

No they're not.  Sacred Scripture is directly inspired and Tradition is that which was revealed by Our Lord TO the Apostles.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #308 on: January 13, 2018, 09:34:13 AM »
Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on January 12, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
By the way Ladislaus, I am another, along with Pax Vobis, Stubborn, and others, that recognize the important truth that dogma is the proximate rule of faith.

You promote this false thesis simply because it helps you justify your stance that this abstract dogma trumps the Magisterium and so you can disregard the Magisterium when it doesn't line up with "dogma".
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Offline Incredulous

Re: The Heretical Pope Fallacy
« Reply #309 on: January 13, 2018, 09:59:45 AM »


Father Hesse has been a good guide and blessing to the Catholic remnant.

He admittedly doesn't have all the answers, but being brilliant and educated in Rome, he knows where to find them.

He describes the Council and the new mass as schismatic.  That's what we need to know.

Vatican II's theology is not Catholic and fit's Pope Leo XIII's St Michael's prayer warning:  

"... These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of the Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be..."

Vatican II was the de facto Pope's official: "raising of the throne of their abominable impiety".

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