Author Topic: The Heresies of Benedict XVI (Read 2252 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** July 13, 2009, 03:53:19 PM »

The Dimond brothers are wrong in all of their conclusions, but they do a good job of cataloging heterodox statements from the recent Popes, giving good examples of their Modernist tendencies.

It is ironic that the Dimond brothers do all of this work to prove a false thesis, but nevertheless, despite their reasoning, the cataloging of errors is handy nonetheless.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2009, 04:31:34 PM »

I agree -- it's good to have the truth, even if you have to reject their conclusions.

I must say, the heresies of Benedict XVI are pretty blatant.

Too bad I'm not an ecuмenical council so I could depose him :wink:

Matthew

Elizabeth · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2009, 10:40:03 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

I agree -- it's good to have the truth, even if you have to reject their conclusions.

I must say, the heresies of Benedict XVI are pretty blatant.

Too bad I'm not an ecuмenical council so I could depose him :wink:

Matthew

Blatent they are. What a mess. Is anyone motivated and stouthearted enough to read that new encylical of his? I can't make myself even start. In case his nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr stuff is being taken out of context.

Dang a deer just walked past my window -I live in the city :shocked:

Vladimir · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2009, 11:56:42 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

I agree -- it's good to have the truth, even if you have to reject their conclusions.

I must say, the heresies of Benedict XVI are pretty blatant.

Too bad I'm not an ecuмenical council so I could depose him :wink:

Matthew

You believe that Benedict XVI is a heretic?

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2009, 12:12:08 AM »

I do.

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2009, 12:19:08 AM »

Quote from: Vladimir

Quote from: ChantCd
I agree -- it's good to have the truth, even if you have to reject their conclusions.

I must say, the heresies of Benedict XVI are pretty blatant.

Too bad I'm not an ecuмenical council so I could depose him :wink:

Matthew

You believe that Benedict XVI is a heretic?

I'm a down-to-earth guy. I was taught to call a spade a spade.
Read through that PDF file and let me know what I should call the Pope's words and actions.

I'm not fit to make any formal declarations, since the Pope is the highest office in the Church. But a heresy is a heresy.

To be clear, I don't believe any layman is equipped to depose a Pope, or to declare that the apparent pope is not a pope at all.

If I were St. Paul, I think I'd be paying the current successor of St. Peter a visit right about now:

11 But when Cephas was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that some came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them who were of the circuмcision. 13 And to his dissimulation the rest of the Jєωs consented, so that Barnabas also was led by them into that dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly unto the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all: If thou, being a Jєω, livest after the manner of the Gentiles, and not as the Jєωs do, how dost thou compel the Gentiles to live as do the Jєωs? 15 We by nature are Jєωs, and not of the Gentiles sinners. (Galatians 2:11-15)

Apparently many people today (known broadly as "sedevacantists") would have acted differently. They would have left the "mainstream Church" to found a small chapel of their own, they would have themselves ordained or consecrated bishop, declare St. Peter an apostate heretic, etc.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE DONE WRONGLY since St. Peter was a valid pope. St. Paul took the right course of action.

I really think there is a lesson for our times RIGHT THERE IN SCRIPTURE. Not exactly what is happening today, but it points you in the right direction. A pope CAN be far less than perfect.

Matthew

CM · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2009, 12:27:28 AM »

Matthew, there is debate as to whether this Cephas is actually St. Peter, but let's assume it is:

He did not teach a new Gospel, he simply was scandalous in his personal behaviour.

Big big difference.

Here is your lesson from Scripture:

Galatians 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

CMMM · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:51:18 AM »

The word Gospel usually designates a written record of Christ's words and deeds.

I don't think Benedict is preaching a new Gospel, the scripture remains the same.

Vladimir · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:53:26 AM »

Quote from: C.M.M.M

The word Gospel usually designates a written record of Christ's words and deeds.

I don't think Benedict is preaching a new Gospel, the scripture remains the same.

However, he contradicts Sacred Scripture and Tradition many times.

Caraffa · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:27:25 PM »

You can believe that a Pope is suspect of heresy and even likely a heretic without being a sede. This was Archbishop Lefebvre's view. Pope Honorius I after all was not condemned until 50 years after his papacy.

CM · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:47:51 PM »

Lefebvre was a heretic Caraffa, he is a poor example. Honorius was not a heretic Caraffa. Don't distort the scenario.

Caraffa · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:12:07 PM »

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:41:50 PM »

Vladimir · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:31:10 PM »

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Archbishop Lefebvre was no heretic. Let me remind you that this forum in SSPX friendly.

Teaching that there can be salvation outside the Church is heresy (I find this ironic, as it was in a book entitled "Against the Heresies").

There is no case for those who say that infidels and/or heretics can be eligible for salvation due to "invincible ignorance". Have you heard of Blessed Caius of Korea? He is a perfect example that God will go to any length to bring an infidel who is of good will and earnestly seeking God into the Church.

Arborman · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2009, 06:44:10 PM »

I think the Dimond brothers have a good site. Lots of info and some good videos. But, I don't agree with their conclusions either.

Being new to tradition,I don't see the purpose for teaching Baptism of desire. I am not smart enough to know what the truth is in this matter, but really, why give anyone an out? Tell them they must convert and lets let God do the judging. Weakness on this point gives those outside the church an out.

To Jesus through Mary