Author Topic: The Great Monarch (Read 5386 times)

trad123 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2011, 12:26:05 AM »

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A Catholic doesn't have the right to say that monarchy was "solved" by "rule 303" (regicide). What an absolutely loathesome thing to say.

Not really...

I have several rules of my own: 556, 308, 350, 375, ect, take your pick. If we ever do get our longed for monarch, these rules can reach out and touch someone if there ever be a need to defend him.

trad123 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2011, 12:50:16 AM »

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ect,

Story time.

When I was little my parents bought me some toy from Toys "R" Us, on the back was labeling and whatnot, and there was the abbreviation ect. It has always thrown me off when I'm trying to abbreviate et cetera.

Writing this out will help me remember for next time. :dancing:

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #17 on:** June 16, 2011, 03:15:03 PM »

Quote from: scipio_a

Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people. Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...

You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

Do you believe this regarding the Papacy as well?

You say God did not prefer the Monarchist system, yet He ordained and blessed it on every occasion through the priests and prophets, and even went so far as to rule through that system by being born into it (regardless of His simplicity). Whenever there was a change in government in the OT, there was no establishment of a republic, just a change in monarch.

sedetrad · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2011, 08:46:09 AM »

Scipio might have a touch of Autism or downs syndrome. She needs to be prayed for.

scipio_a · « **Reply #19 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:22:23 AM »

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Quote from: scipio_a
Quote from: Telesphorus
A Catholic doesn't have the right to say that monarchy was "solved" by "rule 303" (regicide). What an absolutely loathesome thing to say.

Not really...

Rule 303 means regicide??? That's absolutely disgusting, please tell me what you think gives you the right to take the life of your monarch (or anybody)? You are aware that the calls for regicide (and revolutions) were born from Enlightenment thinking... in other words most anti Catholic thought. :argue:

My monarch?

I don't have a massa wif a whip.....that's what gives the right of free men to eliminate a usurper...which is what any monarch would be.....a usurper.

scipio_a · « **Reply #20 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:23:21 AM »

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scipio.

St. Thomas clearly favors monarchy as the best form of government ... for men. Sure, other forms are/can be acceptable, too, but it would seem to be a notable stretch to act as if the Angelic Doctor did not understand human nature, government, etc.

FWIW, any body, however large or small, must have ONE head. Even republics incorporate this undeniable principle.

I will address this at length in another thread as time permits...it'll be fun....almost as fun as madesty.

scipio_a · « **Reply #21 on:** June 18, 2011, 09:29:18 AM »

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Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people. Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...

You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

Do you believe this regarding the Papacy as well?

You say God did not prefer the Monarchist system, yet He ordained and blessed it on every occasion through the priests and prophets, and even went so far as to rule through that system by being born into it (regardless of His simplicity). Whenever there was a change in government in the OT, there was no establishment of a republic, just a change in monarch.

Via scripture it is clear He did not. And just because the Church found a way to bless and attempt to give graces to tyrants...well you know...the Church hands out baptism too....graces folks...Priests will bless your house and your car and even bless your friends....that is a paltry defense of monarchy as a form of .gov

Once a slave...it's hard to break free...hence the miracle that is the US - sins of the fathers held us back that long....gives you pause...

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #22 on:** June 18, 2011, 12:47:16 PM »

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Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people. Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...

You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

Do you believe this regarding the Papacy as well?

You say God did not prefer the Monarchist system, yet He ordained and blessed it on every occasion through the priests and prophets, and even went so far as to rule through that system by being born into it (regardless of His simplicity). Whenever there was a change in government in the OT, there was no establishment of a republic, just a change in monarch.

Via scripture it is clear He did not. And just because the Church found a way to bless and attempt to give graces to tyrants...well you know...the Church hands out baptism too....graces folks...Priests will bless your house and your car and even bless your friends....that is a paltry defense of monarchy as a form of .gov

Once a slave...it's hard to break free...hence the miracle that is the US - sins of the fathers held us back that long....gives you pause...

Show me one president (besides Gabriel Garcia Moreno) who's term received the blessing of the Church.

And cut the crap about slavery. You don't shit about what slavery is, Taxpayer.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #23 on:** June 18, 2011, 01:16:21 PM »

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Show me one president (besides Gabriel Garcia Moreno) who's term received the blessing of the Church.

Hm...Fr. Josef Tiso, Charles de Gaulle, Ngo Dinh Diem, Ante Pavelić, Miklós Horthy, Maréchal Pétain, Konrad Adenauer, Napoleon Bonaparte, Francisco Franco, António de Oliveira Salazar...and just whosoever was in power.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #24 on:** June 18, 2011, 02:38:45 PM »

Quote from: scipio_a

I will address this at length in another thread as time permits...it'll be fun....almost as fun as madesty.

Whatever floats your boat :)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #25 on:** June 18, 2011, 02:45:31 PM »

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Hm...Fr. Josef Tiso

Tiso's government received the blessing of the Church?

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Miklós Horthy

Wasn't Horthy the regent of a monarchy?

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Napoleon Bonaparte

Can you tell us of the relationship between Bonaparte and the Church?

I noticed Engelbert Dolfuss' name was absent. Was his government not blessed?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #26 on:** June 18, 2011, 04:22:49 PM »

Hey scipio, do you have purple hair? Because you sure seem to be obsessed with using profile images with purple hair. And you seem like the kind of person that would. Seriously, your profile image is immature. No surprise coming from FishEaters though...

Raoul76 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:55:21 PM »

SpiritusSanctus said:

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Seriously, your profile image is immature.

It's worse than immature. It's from an obscene movie called Kick-Ass that I posted about a year ago or so. The movie is most "famous" for its character of Hit Girl, a female child assassin. Wildly creative, isn't it? It is Hit Girl in his avatar. I should also mention the character of Hit Girl uses salty language, including the word "c--t."

Keep in mind that a real child played this role, it isn't an animation. Therefore a real child was degraded in front of the entire world in the making of this trashy film. But I suppose it would make you a crocodile-tear-weeping pseudo-trad to be against such fun-loving wholesome material, right?

I would like to put up a picture of the Jєωιѕн screenwriter who wrote Kick-Ass, a woman named Jane Goldman, who has dyed flaming red hair, giant breasts, and likes to pose sitting on thrones embellished with skulls, but I can't find one that is appropriate for this website.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #28 on:** June 20, 2011, 01:17:47 AM »

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Tiso's government received the blessing of the Church?

There must have been, since Fr. Tiso could not become the head of a state without special permission, especially as he continued to function as priest. The Hlinka-movement was very clericalist since its beginnings.
After the war Fr. Tiso fled to a German monastery, from which he was dragged out by American GI´s, given then to the Communists who subsequently murdered him.

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Wasn't Horthy the regent of a monarchy?

De jure, but de facto Hungary was a republic. No chance that H.I.H. Otto von Habsburg could have returned.

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Can you tell us of the relationship between Bonaparte and the Church?

He was supposed to be crowned by the Pope, that is quite something - I would even go as far as to say that at this day the revolution was crowned by the Church.
Of course also the Concordat of 1801 and the recognition of the (then former) Constitutional Clergy, causing the schism of the Petite Église, which saw the martyrdom of the orthodox clergy and faithful betrayed by the Roman Pontiff himself.

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I noticed Engelbert Dolfuss' name was absent. Was his government not blessed?

You are completely right! The list I gave is of course very much incomplete.
I did not want to give the impression that the Church only "blessed" fascist or strongly authoritarian structures. While a formal "blessing" was probably absent for many democratic republics, the Church certainly worked together closely with them.

And in the past there are also all the old Merchant Republics of Italy, for sure they are all blessed, too. There are actually even special rubrics for how a President of a nation is to be treated during Mass - not just for monarchs. But like I mentioned before, being a monarch has nothing to do with blue blood and golden regalia. Dictatorships, Presidential republics etc. are not opposed to St. Thomas idea of a monarchy at all.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #29 on:** June 20, 2011, 10:06:12 AM »

Interesting Raoul. Thanks. No surprise that's what scipio chose for an avatar.