Author Topic: The Great Monarch (Read 6903 times)

scipio_a · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2011, 01:38:15 PM »

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No...I don't beleive in any monarch BS...the solution to monarchy has often been rule 303.

Well you are entitled to you're opinion on this matter, but consider this; monarchy whether it be in it's absolute or constitutional forms is the form of government which is most natural for mankind. The reason for this is that it most closely mimics the natural order of the family (a nation being a large family), with either a mother (queen) or a father (king) and always children (the people). In a monarchy all the acts of government have restraint and (very) rarely flow into excess. Let's face it if the Kaiser was on the throne would there have been a WWII? If the Tsar was alive do you think Stalin could have acted as he did? Who was responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, Queen Elizabeth II? Don't think I'm suggesting that all republics commit crimes of that magnitude, but when a government has no constitutional restraint and is acting "in the name of the people" the results can be quite disastrous.

Aside from all of these secular arguments, the most important thing is that one day we will all live in a Kingdom... that of Heaven! One day we will be reigned over with Christ as our King and Mary as our Queen!

Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people. Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...

You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

Canuk the Lionheart · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2011, 01:38:26 PM »

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A Catholic doesn't have the right to say that monarchy was "solved" by "rule 303" (regicide). What an absolutely loathesome thing to say.

Not really...

Rule 303 means regicide??? That's absolutely disgusting, please tell me what you think gives you the right to take the life of your monarch (or anybody)? You are aware that the calls for regicide (and revolutions) were born from Enlightenment thinking... in other words most anti Catholic thought. :argue:

Canuk the Lionheart · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2011, 01:42:00 PM »

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No...I don't beleive in any monarch BS...the solution to monarchy has often been rule 303.

Well you are entitled to you're opinion on this matter, but consider this; monarchy whether it be in it's absolute or constitutional forms is the form of government which is most natural for mankind. The reason for this is that it most closely mimics the natural order of the family (a nation being a large family), with either a mother (queen) or a father (king) and always children (the people). In a monarchy all the acts of government have restraint and (very) rarely flow into excess. Let's face it if the Kaiser was on the throne would there have been a WWII? If the Tsar was alive do you think Stalin could have acted as he did? Who was responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, Queen Elizabeth II? Don't think I'm suggesting that all republics commit crimes of that magnitude, but when a government has no constitutional restraint and is acting "in the name of the people" the results can be quite disastrous.

Aside from all of these secular arguments, the most important thing is that one day we will all live in a Kingdom... that of Heaven! One day we will be reigned over with Christ as our King and Mary as our Queen!

Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people. Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...

You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

Ok I'm "wrong", please tell me the most natural form of government for mankind. One in which we are not "slaves", instead one where we have liberties as in your republic. When you say that we are slaves in a monarchy, you clearly misunderstand it's nature.

A monarchy is a form of government where the head of state is a monarch, that is all it constitutes. It does not mean tyranny or some form of dictatorship, and yes the government can even include aspects of democracy. Seriously some of the most oppressive regimes in history were republics, nαzι Germany, Soviet Russia, Commie China (and the list goes on). In a monarchy the power of a government is limited by a monarch who has very real reasons for wanting to be just; wither it be egotistical or wanting to keep his people happy.

True liberty wears a crown my friend! :king:

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2011, 03:56:40 PM »

scipio.

St. Thomas clearly favors monarchy as the best form of government ... for men. Sure, other forms are/can be acceptable, too, but it would seem to be a notable stretch to act as if the Angelic Doctor did not understand human nature, government, etc.

FWIW, any body, however large or small, must have ONE head. Even republics incorporate this undeniable principle.

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2011, 12:18:31 AM »

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FWIW, any body, however large or small, must have ONE head. Even republics incorporate this undeniable principle.

That is why dictatorships would also fall under St. Thomas qualification.

If think in general the notion of a monarchy is not understood (as slightly referred to in my first post here). It has nothing to do with some kind of romantic concept from the 19th century or fancy cloths and crown.