Author Topic: the great chastisement? (Read 2704 times)

catherinemary · « **on:** February 27, 2010, 06:46:03 PM »

So does anyone else think the great chastisment is already upon us...I mean there seems to be alot of earthquakes and strange weather, and general chaos in the world. :scratchchin:

Alexandria · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2010, 06:59:18 PM »

As far as I'm concerned, the great chastisement began with the election of John XXIII. And there was no worse chastisement for the Church than the twenty-six year reign of JPII. Earthquakes and tsunamis don't bother me - the worst that can happen is that you die which, considering the present condition of mankind, would be a blessing.

The German mystic, Theresa Neumann, said that Our Lord would bring the USA to her knees through physical calamities.

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:06:57 PM »

I highly doubt that John 23 was elected.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:16:58 PM »

I agree with Alexandria that the chastisement started with Vatican II. How many souls have been lost as a result? And the diabolical confusion among even those who have kept the faith. I can imagine little worse than what has been happening.

Typically when people are physically chastised they turn more to God, so the fact that He has not physically punished the world actually to my mind means that He has withdrawn His mercy.

Our Lady said at Fatima that God would punish the world through the World Wars. So, what now, has the world suddenly become better since the end of WWII that God has stopped sending great wars to earth? I think rather that WWI and WWII were our last chance before the spiritual punishment, the withdrawal of His grace and light and truth from the world, the ecclipse of the Church.

We must remember though that God is a perfectly simple Being. As such, He does not at one time show mercy and at another time justice and punishment. Those are just human ways of speaking. Every act of God's is at one a perfect act of mercy and a perfect act of justice.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:19:47 PM »

Jesus also speaks of earthquakes being prevalent at the beginning of the end, during the "birth pangs of the end."

Raoul76 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:33:53 PM »

I see Vatican II as a culmination of Americanism. Vatican II is sort of like God saying "This is the kind of priest you want, one who won't cause you any fuss or make you feel bad or tell you the truth? Here, have it your way." He didn't impose it on us, we brought it on ourselves. It is the classic example of heaping teachers with itching ears.

But there is just no way it happened overnight like people thought. These guys didn't just come out of nowhere. This is the culmination of a long process. When you read some of the things Cardinal Gibbons said and realize that he spoke for the majority of American Catholics, it is shocking. He would say openly that Catholics do not want any other form of Constitution, that we think this one is ideal -- and people really did agree. Many of them today agree. He also said that Catholics should be allowed to run for politics, despite fears that we would try to turn the U.S. into a Catholic state, because a true patriotic Catholic would never bring his religion to public light that way. He's literally boasting about how good American Catholics hide their religion, and are Americans first, Catholics second.

With this kind of attitude becoming prevalent -- an attitude that is far worse than just being lukewarm, but is a form of denial -- with liberal, Americanized Catholics taking over the globe who were not confessing Christ in their deeds and words, it was only a matter of time before God lowered the boom.

The rot goes VERY far back. And don't get me started on EENS or Jesuits.

catherinemary · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2010, 05:12:58 PM »

Thank you for the responses. I agree about the whole Vatican II disaster. I had been in the Novus Ordo mess for 20 + yrs. My Mom never gave up praying for me, and I would take her to the TLM once in awhile. Well I literally saw the light when I went with her to Mass one Sunday-and I haven't been back to the Novus Ordo since. I have even converted my Lutheran husband to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith, and now we go together to our Traditional Latin Mass chapel together. :incense

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2010, 05:55:44 PM »

Raoul's IG count pretty much shows that no one wants to hear him 'get started' on the Jesuits.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:05:55 PM »

Quote from: catherinemary

Thank you for the responses. I agree about the whole Vatican II disaster. I had been in the Novus Ordo mess for 20 + yrs. My Mom never gave up praying for me, and I would take her to the TLM once in awhile. Well I literally saw the light when I went with her to Mass one Sunday-and I haven't been back to the Novus Ordo since. I have even converted my Lutheran husband to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith, and now we go together to our Traditional Latin Mass chapel together.

That's wonderful to hear. I'm guessing that you may not have bothered even trying to convert him had you stayed NO.

I knew a Protestant who said that when he was young (before V2), he hated but at least respected the Catholic Church, because the Church clearly and valiantly stood for something. I knew another Protestant who converted before V2 and then fell away, returning eventually as a Traditional Catholic; he said that the NO resembled too much what he converted away from.

PS -- I fixed your smilie for you.

Caminus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:18:31 PM »

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We must remember though that God is a perfectly simple Being.

God is not "a being" but being itself.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:24:47 PM »

Welcome to the site, catherinemary.

IMO, we have entered the time wherein we will see the temporal chastisement that is the natural sequel to the spiritual one, from which we have learned little to nothing -- and it will be similar in magnitude. Godspeed.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:36:21 PM »

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We must remember though that God is a perfectly simple Being.

God is not "a being" but being itself.

Without further elaboration I find both of these statements rather troubling.

Caminus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:39:56 PM »

And without any further explanation I'm troubled that you're troubled.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2010, 08:02:23 PM »

Quote from: Caminus

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We must remember though that God is a perfectly simple Being.

God is not "a being" but being itself.

Right. I used the article by way of referring to Him as a person.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2010, 11:27:51 PM »

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And without any further explanation I'm troubled that you're troubled.

Please don't be too troubled that I am troubled. I just wanted to see if you were staying clear of this:

"I. PANTHEISM, NATURALISM AND ABSOLUTE RATIONALISM

1. There exists no Supreme, all-wise, all-provident Divine Being, distinct from the universe, and God is identical with the nature of things, and is, therefore, subject to changes. In effect, God is produced in man and in the world, and all things are God and have the very substance of God, and God is one and the same thing with the world, and, therefore, spirit with matter, necessity with liberty, good with evil, justice with injustice".

Syllabus of Errors-Ven. Pius IX