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Offline Elizabeth

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The Four Marks November Article
« Reply #420 on: March 25, 2012, 02:44:09 PM »
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    You actually think he just "took a wrong position?"

    ... Though, I don't know how saying he took the wrong position is somehow not good enough for you.

    Because that would imply the possibility of even a little good will on Fr. Cekada's part, something which unfortunately SJB is never able to admit.


    Well, it was not enough to make him go public against Fr. C or leave his chapel then, either.

    It is only now, in the wake of the Petco scandal, that SJB wants to bring up the subject of his Boogyman.


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    « Reply #421 on: March 25, 2012, 06:17:18 PM »
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    You actually think he just "took a wrong position?"

    ... Though, I don't know how saying he took the wrong position is somehow not good enough for you.

    Because that would imply the possibility of even a little good will on Fr. Cekada's part, something which unfortunately SJB is never able to admit.


    Well, it was not enough to make him go public against Fr. C or leave his chapel then, either.

    It is only now, in the wake of the Petco scandal, that SJB wants to bring up the subject of his Boogyman.


    SS brought it up. I responded to his comment as well as LONG before your inaccurate comments here. Your memory has failed you again.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #422 on: March 26, 2012, 12:36:19 PM »
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    You may recall I asked a really simple question and tried to respond to a vague question that was asked of me:

    Here question was,

    "Are you concerned about the Bishop's lack of response?"


    In addressing this entire issue including Dr Tom Drolesky let me merely state that Bishop Pivarunas rarely if ever engages in petty "he said, she said" theological debates.

    When appropriate - he simply will issue a short letter explaining CMRI's Position on any given subject if it has become a source of contradiction so as to qwell discussions like the one going on here in this forum.

    He prefers to focus instead on teaching , spreading , and demonstrating what the Catholic Faith is in action.  I submit that the Bishop has indeed responded by seeing the entire situation for what it is and thereby disengaging , as many arguments are won by merely not responding in kind.

    I sit here reading thread after thread after thread and I have to ask myself - what good really comes of any of this.  I read Christ or Chaos or Daily Catholic - but then I could just as easily spend the same time reading Chesterton or Bellarmine. Instead of feeding the egos of modern day pseudo theologians - there does come a time where the serious Catholic has to ask himself (or herself)  Is more damage done by perpetuating discord and divisiveness?  That would appear to be the lesson Dr Drolesky has yet to learn.

    We cannot pick and choose how Catholic we want to be and then become lay attack dogs when a fellow Catholic disagrees with our own opinion. No , we have to be Catholic at all times , and to fight the battle not only in Charity but in the Unity of cause so that our actions reflect what each of us asks for in the practise of our faith or we risk being hypocritical in both.   Our Lord will furnish us with all the answers we seek - in due time.  Therefore - the answers lie there , with him , not in our ability to out reason the next guy , but in our ability to do the will of GOD in all things - both spiritually and temporily so as to obtain the necessary grace to open the eyes of all Catholics and to unite them in that common cause - to serve GOD so as to merit Heaven.

    Let us be doers and not hearers who spend so much time yearning to be heard- that they have no time to spend praying , sacrificing , and practising the virtues they claim to be defending.

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    « Reply #423 on: March 27, 2012, 01:24:05 PM »
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    We cannot pick and choose how Catholic we want to be and then become lay attack dogs when a fellow Catholic disagrees with our own opinion. No , we have to be Catholic at all times , and to fight the battle not only in Charity but in the Unity of cause so that our actions reflect what each of us asks for in the practise of our faith or we risk being hypocritical in both.   Our Lord will furnish us with all the answers we seek - in due time.  Therefore - the answers lie there , with him , not in our ability to out reason the next guy , but in our ability to do the will of GOD in all things - both spiritually and temporily so as to obtain the necessary grace to open the eyes of all Catholics and to unite them in that common cause - to serve GOD so as to merit Heaven.



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    Hi Malleus, this makes good Catholic sense.  I know that many of us beg God's pardon as we have tried to navigate confusing and unexpected situations while trying to form our children in the  Catholic tradition.  For many of us isolation has been an issue, so we are extremely grateful for Matthew putting up with us.




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    « Reply #424 on: March 28, 2012, 01:36:19 PM »
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    We cannot pick and choose how Catholic we want to be and then become lay attack dogs when a fellow Catholic disagrees with our own opinion. No , we have to be Catholic at all times , and to fight the battle not only in Charity but in the Unity of cause so that our actions reflect what each of us asks for in the practise of our faith or we risk being hypocritical in both.   Our Lord will furnish us with all the answers we seek - in due time.  Therefore - the answers lie there , with him , not in our ability to out reason the next guy , but in our ability to do the will of GOD in all things - both spiritually and temporily so as to obtain the necessary grace to open the eyes of all Catholics and to unite them in that common cause - to serve GOD so as to merit Heaven.



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    Hi Malleus, this makes good Catholic sense.  I know that many of us beg God's pardon as we have tried to navigate confusing and unexpected situations while trying to form our children in the  Catholic tradition.  For many of us isolation has been an issue, so we are extremely grateful for Matthew putting up with us.





    Hi Elizabeth

    Yes - I too think that the fact that these are confusing and trying times with the Church  Hierarchy in shambles which has led to the isolation of so many good Catholics - that fact alone will inevitably lead to crosses and contradictions by even the most well meaning of our number.

    That's why I refuse to take sides. I may be one of those strange birds who sees value in many of the things Father Cekada , Bishop Dolan and Bishop Sanborn write and also like the message of Father Ramolla and Dr Droleskey and of course we are parishioners of CMRI and yet , am I to choose sides?   I think not.  The dispute between all of the above is really not my affair.   I think Bishop Pivarunas helps where he can help and where his help isn't asked for he uses prudent judgement in deciding how best to proceed.  I think that is worth something in this day and age . even if he has gotten criticized because his decisions didn't conform with the judgement of others.  A scathing article which airs dirty laundry is never a good idea. And I think most prudent Catholics can recognize that fact without having to attack the person guilty of doing it.

    So instead , I think letting cooler heads prevail and disengaging is the best strategy - for nothing good can come of perpetuating a disagreement.