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The Four Marks November Article
« on: January 11, 2012, 01:35:58 PM »
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  • Did anyone read The Four Marks article by the editor that included the defense of Bishop Pivuranus against Father Ramolla and Tom Droleskey in the November issue?


    I found it interesting that the editor chose to pick a side without giving both sides of the story or interviewing Father Ramolla, Tom Droleskey, or any of the Seminarians involved.  I was a little surprised and disappointed about this.  I wonder if anyone complained to the editor about this.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 03:20:49 PM »
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  • Maybe its because she is the editor.

    Also consider those who know Tom Droleskey know that he cries "wolf" too many times, and now people are beginning to ignore anything he says.  

    Too bad, because sometime he says things worth hearing.  


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    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 03:41:43 PM »
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  • Before you blame her, I think you should at least wait for the next issue & perhaps she'll get the other side's story.  Give her a chance & time!
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 04:47:32 PM »
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  • It appears that Mrs. Plumb has always adhered to high standards for her quarterly publication.  

    Mrs. Plumb is the Editor of The Four Marks.  The Editor of a newspaper or magazine

    Editors write Editorials, which are statements of their opinions.  

    So,in composing and writing her editorial she is doing exactly what she is supposed to do.  There is no "cheating" whatsoever involved.

    If she were a reporter writing a NEWS REPORT, then we could complain that she had not interviewed all parties involved.   The way we would complain is by writing a Letter to the Editor.

    Some publications have Op-Ed pages, in which people agree or disagree or add something in response to what the Editor wrote.




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    The Four Marks November Article
    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 06:51:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nome de Plume
    Did anyone read The Four Marks article by the editor that included the defense of Bishop Pivuranus against Father Ramolla and Tom Droleskey in the November issue?


    I found it interesting that the editor chose to pick a side without giving both sides of the story or interviewing Father Ramolla, Tom Droleskey, or any of the Seminarians involved.  I was a little surprised and disappointed about this.  I wonder if anyone complained to the editor about this.



    Funny how you would join in November and not post. That is until today. And then to try and turn the guns of hate on Mrs. Plumb. Nome de Plume? Clearly you show what side you are on. I bet you are smart enough not to tip who you really are.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 09:29:06 PM »
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  • I must apologize for my rant. I read the first post and immediately thought that the Mr. Shea and his group had turned on Mrs. Plumb. She is a kind woman. However  I was wrong. Elizabeth , Trinity, and Roman Catholic are doing a good job holding Mr. Shea and hs group accountable for the damage they have done. I will no longer be posting here as I see how easy it is  to be drawn into such things that have nothing to do with my goal of saving my own soul.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 06:04:29 AM »
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  • This issue is of interest to me as I am no longer a writer for The Four Marks over the issue.

    I do have a high respect for Bishop P and consider him to be on our side (The Roman Catholic side).  But he did act rashly regarding Father Ramolla who has courageously saved his parishioners from the cult of Dolan/Cekeda and was victimized by the good Bishop's public attack on him.  The Bishop often-times has not spoken up when he should have.  But this is one time when he spoke up when he should not have.  I would share more facts were I not under an imposed confidentiality.  I will share privately with anyone who has questions and care about truth rather than gossip.  

    I will ignore emotional rants but if you have a legitimate question on the issue I will answer it.

    I am curious to this new "reputation" scale rating.  Can anyone explain it to me?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 07:19:46 AM »
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  • BTW, I hope I haven't given anyone the impression that I actually read Mrs. Plumb's editorial.  I can't afford subscriptions to interesting periodicals anymore.

    I was attempting to explain that Editors generally steer the ship for those who write the articles in a magazine or newspaper.  They are supposed to be very well informed on each side of any issue, and have sound judgement, of course.



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    « Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 08:44:40 AM »
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  • Lover of Truth, that reputation is a feature that you should not take very serious.  Every time someone gives you a thumbs up; you will receive a point.  However some people here have friends, family who give thumbs up for every post to some people resulting their rate to go up fast. And too, some people just post once in awhile, they may in life, have an excellent reputation, but here because of their silence their reputation is rather low.  So again, I would not pay any serious thought to that feature.  Of course this is my opinion of the feature.  Many people here are insecure and take that feature much to serious.
    The bottom line is, "its just a game".  

    Also if you thumb a post down, after 3 down's; you will lose a reputation point.

    When you register here you automatic will be at 10.  

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    « Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 09:24:26 AM »
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  • Thank you for that response.  I suppose you get a critic as soon as someone reads something from you that they disagree with regardless of the veracity of the statement made.  I suppose the option to be a critic is an exciting feature for some.  This is quite a blog.  I try to stay clear because it is easy to become real involved to the neglect of duties.  But I will say it could be a vessel of truth, if more of the blogging was based upon facts rather than opinion.  

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #10 on: January 12, 2012, 09:28:24 AM »
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  • I do wish we could all unite and not align ourselves for God rather than against others.  Though to be for God you have to be against many actions of others.  I also wish nobody ever did anything wrong and thus need to be stood up against.  I do wish issues could be settled behind the scenes.  But I admire those who bring grave evils to light in order to prevent them in the future.  Cowardly weasels need to be called out.  The clergy must be held accountable.  The sedevacantist editors that I know such as Mike Cain who has avoided the issue of Ramolla and Pivuranus, and has not blackballed Father and Tom, but rather promotes both Tom and Kathleen Plumb, is an editor of integrity as is Tom Droleskey who has given both sides of story.  You will notice that Tom, instead of judging others harshly, gives them the benefit of the doubt as he did Bishop Petko.  He does not relish having to speak an unpopular truth that will cost him friends and money.  Despite not being 100% correct on an issue he could not have known about he never compromises the truth as he knows it.  He admits when he is wrong in grand style and apologizes when he realizes has done wrong.  Mike Cain of Daily Catholic has the same qualities to the same degree.  Others, whether it be certain Bishops, who cannot take legitimate criticism, or an editor of a paper, while good in many ways lack in intellectual honesty and in integrity when the uncompromised truth will cost “too much”.  Father Ramolla is a courageous and as a rock solid Priest as there is living today.  His sermons should be listened to on the traditional Catholic sermons website.  He is worthy of the support of all true Catholics as he has saved his parishioners from the cult of Dolan/Cekeda and does not use the Sacraments as a weapon as Dolan/Cekeda do and does not forbid his parishioners to read The Four Marks as they do.  He has financial transparency at his parish which is overseen by a lay board and consciously avoids all the mistakes and evils that Dolan/Cekeda have entrenched themselves in.  

    I will say that it is important not to cut anyone down to size unless you have the facts.  What is hidden now will be shouted from the rooftops.  All will be revealed on the last day.  I have learned that you cannot, and should not, put your hope in any living human being, apart from the canonized saints and those you know to have been baptized and died below the age of reason.  Being victimized for the sake of truth is an honor, it is an opportunity to gain merit, but also an opportunity to tear apart your "opponent" not to avoid scandal and to set the record strait, but for the sake of wounding the other.  The motives must always be pure.  Why am I doing or saying this?  For notoriety?  To undermine someone who has hurt me?  To prevent others from being misled?  To protect the reputation of another?  To set the record strait so others can act according to fact rather than fiction.  The motives can be so mixed.  But the primary motive must be a good one, and sometimes you need a spiritual director to figure out what the best thing to do is.  And the advice a good spiritual director will give is “when in doubt, shut up”.  I wish I had this advice in the past.  And I hope not regret not following it in the future.  I do believe prayer; often times can be more expedient than blogging.  I don't say this self-righteously, as I do not pray as I should.  

    Elizabeth, did you read my personal message on the topic.  The facts in this blog on this particular topic are not as they appear.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #11 on: January 12, 2012, 09:30:08 AM »
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  • Ah, welcome back Lover of Truth. :cheers:

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    « Reply #12 on: January 12, 2012, 09:43:34 AM »
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  • Thank you very much!  Are you a SV friend?   :scratchchin:Not that you have to be an SV to be my friend.   :laugh1:
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #13 on: January 12, 2012, 10:53:55 AM »
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  • BTW - Why am I a level 3.  Is that good, bad or medium?   :furtive:
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 11:47:14 AM »
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  • Level three means you have not been posting messages all the time as some of us do!

    I'd say it's probably a very good thing.

     

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