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Offline Mark 79

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Re: The flappers are back
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2024, 09:21:11 PM »


…If this custom was juridically accepted from a canonical authority, I'd like to know of it. It's not too much to ask.

Lex orandi, lex credendi.  The Holy Trinity is "three-in-one," not "three-within-three."


Please keep your eye on the ball: "juridically accepted from a canonical authority."

Re: The flappers are back
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2024, 01:09:52 PM »
Ugh, and to think that I was once a postulant of the SSJ oblivious to all the sodomites around me. The flapping should have been the giveaway.

Hindsight...
I too very very briefly associated with the SSJ. One day at Shohola was enough to discern this place is wrong, wrong, wrong. Luckily I got a ride to an airport, and made my way to California  (to visit an older Catholic couple I befriended years back) to visit and recuperate a bit before heading back home to Alberta. I recall ALL the postulants who were there at the same time as I ended up leaving eventually.


Re: The flappers are back
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2024, 08:34:56 AM »
This is a reference to the "choir" being put up front at Mass with a "conductor" of sorts gesticulating in an alleged need to direct the singing.

Guy with his hand up in this picture is the "flapper".


It's a huge distraction.  You'll notice how they're blocking view of the altar, and just imagine the guy flailing away with very animated gestures, and SSPX are not limiting this to clerics either.
Usually choirs are in the back above in choir loft.  The head pastor is to blame to allow this.  Yes, huge distraction.

Re: The flappers are back
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2024, 02:11:24 PM »
Hm, what is the excuse for doing this!  The enemy always comes up with a notion and why we do this now and we didn't do it in the past.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The flappers are back
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2024, 03:06:01 PM »
Usually choirs are in the back above in choir loft.  The head pastor is to blame to allow this.  Yes, huge distraction.

So, I imagine that it's something that leaked from the seminary.  In a seminary setting, the choir effecitvely consists of all the clerics (those who had received tonsure, could wear the cassock, etc.), i.e. most of the seminarians, and the choir is situated up front near the sanctuary.  In that case, any schola would organize in the front of the church, just because that's where they were anyway.  Choir lofts were a thing for churches where you didn't have lots of clerics up front (i.e. most parish churches) and you had lay choirs.  If there was a visiting cleric, they'd often sit in the sanctuary during Mass / Office.  Nevertheless, even with the seminary scholas, I never saw the need for a "flapper".  IMO they serve no purpose as everyone's looking at their music sheets or Liber Usualis and barely noticing the flapper, just like with most orchestras also.  Conductors train all the musicians beforehand but then during the performance they're unnecessary other than to stand up there to take credit for the performance and so the audience has something to look at.  Also, many ancient churches that had clerical choirs would have some fairly high stairs going up to the altar, so that the choir wouldn't necessarily obstruct your view of the sanctuary too much.