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Offline Caminus

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The Extraordinary Doctrinal Ineptitude of the Dimond Boys
« on: June 02, 2010, 09:26:32 PM »
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    The Extraordinary Doctrinal Ineptitude of the Dimond Boys
    « Reply #1 on: June 03, 2010, 12:56:58 PM »
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  • It seems to me that to assert that the teaching of the magisterium is subject to positive, verbal inspiration of the Holy Ghost is tantamount to saying that revelation continues after the death of the last Apostle.  This is the doctrine of the modernists.  

    It also seems heretical to deny this particular truth of moral theology, for it asserts that God punishes acts which are not morally free.  


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    « Reply #2 on: June 05, 2010, 02:09:28 AM »
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  • I'm sure that the Dimonds understand the difference between inspiration in the strict (Scriptural) sense and a broader inspiration of the Holy Spirit over the Magisterium.  I do believe that the Holy Spirit can and does influence the language of the Ecuмenical Councils.

    No, being denied the beatific vision, is not a "punishment", since the beatific vision is a completely free gift that's beyond our natural capacity to receive.

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    The Extraordinary Doctrinal Ineptitude of the Dimond Boys
    « Reply #3 on: June 05, 2010, 02:44:08 AM »
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  • Caminus said:
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    It also seems heretical to deny this particular truth of moral theology, for it asserts that God punishes acts which are not morally free.


    What about a baby who dies without baptism?  

    I still don't believe that someone can be saved in invincible ignorance but I accept that the general trend of recent theology has been to approve of it.  However, the general trend of recent theology also seemed to slot pretty neatly into Vatican II.  There is no way that it's heretical to deny that someone who is invincibly ignorant can be saved.  At worst it's rash; at best it's simply correct.

    I used to knock Pius IX for being ambiguous but now I don't think there is any better way to say it.  Who can say how far God's mercy extends?  As I currently see it, the problem with the invincible ignorance theory is not in the way it was taught by your Sotos and your Suarezes, ye olde tender-hearted indigenous-peoples-loving Jesuits; the problem is when you see these American clergy who think that someone qualifies for "invincible ignorance" because their family prejudiced them against the Catholic religion.  That is what seems heretical to me.  What is the whole purpose of the Holy Ghost if it isn't to free us from those prejudices?  What is the point of my conversion if I could have stayed ignorant and then blamed it on the Tee Vee?  

    It's impossible not to notice that, the more the world apostasizes, the more people can claim some variant of the ever-expanding "invincible ignorance."  This goes on and on.  As the deceit becomes thicker, Catholics make more excuses for others who are quite comfortable with their heads in the sand.  It's just ludicrous.  Why would the devil do all this work to deceive people then, what is the point, if you can just be completely wrong and be saved?
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    The Extraordinary Doctrinal Ineptitude of the Dimond Boys
    « Reply #4 on: June 05, 2010, 02:52:30 AM »
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  • By the time we get to the Antichrist, it will be a golden age, because everyone on Earth almost will have invincible ignorance.  How were they supposed to know?  After all, that Antichrist fella sure is persuasive with them signs 'n' wonders, and he's got himself all the medias...
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.