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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2024, 02:47:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 18, 2024, 02:30:40 PM
    Yeah, I'm curious too, since the only consecrations +Thuc himself did prior to the early 1980s were the Palmar ones ... and those were in 1976, not 1977.

    I looked it up and +Thuc did a conditional of Laborie in 1977 and there's another one that someone claims to have been consecrated but there's no evidence for.
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #106 on: January 18, 2024, 05:31:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on January 18, 2024, 01:43:04 PM
    I'm very curious who this Bishop is?
    My bishop is Bishop Jean Marie Kozik who was consecrated by Archbishop Thuc in 1977. 
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #107 on: January 19, 2024, 07:23:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hank Igitur on January 18, 2024, 05:31:21 PM
    My bishop is Bishop Jean Marie Kozik who was consecrated by Archbishop Thuc in 1977.

    OK.  Does he somehow profess to be in union with Rome?  I've struggled to understand his position.  He's a bit of an enigma to me, but I like him overall.  I saw that his nuns were involved in some "scandal" in Chicago where they were requesting donations for a new heating system, while spending a couple million dollars on buying some new property.  I want to like this man (I like his emphasis on serving the poor), but something doesn't seem quite right.  Also I didn't see him on the Boyle list when I looked him up.  Was he already a priest in 1977 or was he also ordained?  And the date I saw was 1978 for his consecration.
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #108 on: January 19, 2024, 08:38:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 19, 2024, 07:23:43 AM
    OK.  Does he somehow profess to be in union with Rome?  I've struggled to understand his position.  He's a bit of an enigma to me, but I like him overall.  I saw that his nuns were involved in some "scandal" in Chicago where they were requesting donations for a new heating system, while spending a couple million dollars on buying some new property.  I want to like this man (I like his emphasis on serving the poor), but something doesn't seem quite right.  Also I didn't see him on the Boyle list when I looked him up.  Was he already a priest in 1977 or was he also ordained?  And the date I saw was 1978 for his consecration.
    He's on the Boyle list. Need to look under alleged consecrations Thuc consecrations. He was consecrated by Laborie, and then conditionally by Thuc. 
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #109 on: January 19, 2024, 08:43:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on January 19, 2024, 08:38:13 AM
    He's on the Boyle list. Need to look under alleged consecrations Thuc consecrations. He was consecrated by Laborie, and then conditionally by Thuc.
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    Hmmm.  OK, I didn't see him on there.  Was he a priest before his consecration?
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #110 on: January 19, 2024, 08:56:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 18, 2024, 02:30:40 PM
    Yeah, I'm curious too, since the only consecrations +Thuc himself did prior to the early 1980s were the Palmar ones ... and those were in 1976, not 1977.

    I’m very curious too.

    EDIT…..answered above.
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #111 on: January 19, 2024, 09:03:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 19, 2024, 08:56:51 AM
    I’m very curious too.

    EDIT…..answered above.

    I think he may have been nested under Laborie in the Boyle chart ... but I haven't looked again.  I can only access Boyle from certain computers because their SSL cypher suite is somewhat outdated.
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #112 on: January 19, 2024, 03:39:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 19, 2024, 09:03:42 AM
    I think he may have been nested under Laborie in the Boyle chart
    What is the Boyle chart/Boyle list? The reason why Bishop Jean Marie Kozik is now my Bishop is because when the Novus Ordo diocese sold off my Church to an Evangelical Protestant group back in 2010, it was his Fraternite Notre Dame which bought it in 2020, restored it and now thanks to them, it's now again a Traditional Catholic Church (for the first time since the 1960s). I will always be grateful to them for saving my Church that the diocese deliberately threw away.  
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #113 on: January 19, 2024, 04:02:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Hank Igitur on January 19, 2024, 03:39:26 PM
    What is the Boyle chart/Boyle list?

    http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Thuc_Consecrations.html

    I'm curious to hear more about them.  This Bishop Jean Marie claims to have had visions.  Do you find them credible?  What is his theological position?  Sedevacantist, R&R, something else?  He's built up a very large organization.  Do you know if he was ordained a priest before being consecrated by +Thuc?  Does he have docuмentation or other evidence to back up his consecration and his ordination?

    Looks (from Boyle) that he was consecrated by +Puga, who was in turn consecrated by +Thuc.  With Clemente doing consecrations, I'd be concerned about him botching them, because Clemente had absolutely no training, but +Puga was a pre-Vatican II priest and was more likely to have correctly followed the consecration rite.  But then in the other section it shows him as consecrated by Corral (perhaps both did it?), and the conditionally consecrated by +Thuc in 1978.
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    Re: Thuc: Heel or Hero
    « Reply #114 on: February 08, 2024, 07:42:22 AM »
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    •  I am not making a judgment on anyone, I just want to know if anyone knows the original official site or magazine where Bishop Guerard published this:

     https://web.archive.org/web/20080305062917/http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.html 
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